[B-Greek] Romans 1:17 EK PISTEWS EIS PISTIN --> hO DE DIKAIOS EK PISTEWS ZHSETAI
Fred Day
fred.a.day at cox.net
Tue Apr 27 14:40:13 EDT 2004
<I find it hard to grasp how consistently people prefer
<the meaning of PISTIS as "faith" or "belief," rather
<than "faithfulness." My take on this passage is that
<it can't be understood apart from the meaning of
<"faithfulness" or "the trustworthy," as Richard put it
<in his post.
<When Paul quotes from Hab. 2:4, I think it ought to be
<understood that he means "faithfulness." In the OT,
<the lone instance of the Hebrew word being translated
<into English as "faith" is Hab. 2:4. This doesn't lend
<a lot of weight to the idea of "faith."
Up to now, I've just been reading the postings. Being a real amature, it's
sometime difficult enough just to do that! ;) But the final clause of Rom.
1:17 has been one of interest to me, so here are my thoughts/questions:
I think the meaning of PISTEWS would depend on what intent of DIKAIOS and
PISTEWS are in terms of ZHSETAI. Do they refer to how the just will live
life now (faithfully or based on their faith), or to life as the reward of
those who are just? If it is the latter, are they just because of their
faith (or maybe their faithfulness)? Certainly Paul's theology would not
support anyone being counted just based on their faithful living. Is there
anything in the Greek that would help clarify the intent?
Fred Day
<I think Rom. 1:17 might be better understood as the
<righteousness of God being revealed from [His]
>faithfulness leading to [our] faithfulness.
<Richard wrote: I was reading The Wisdom of the Hebrew
Alphabet by Rabbi Michael Munk,
and on page 152 he mentioned that the Torah was given
MN)MN LN)MN,
(Minne'eman L'ne'eman), which he interprets as meaning
"from the
Trustworthy [King] to the trustworthy [servant]." He
cites the Midrash Rabbah as
the source, so it does not seem unlikely that this
Hebrew phrase could
have informed Paul when he wrote EK PISTEWS EIS
PISTIN, which looks
like it might be a translation of that exact Hebrew
phrase.
The meaning of EK PISTEWS EIS PISTIN was discussed at
some length in
1996 & 1999. I reveiwed the posts but didn't notice
any discussion
linking to the Hebrew phrase from the Talmud.
Any help would be appreciated.
Richard Amiel McGough
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