[B-Greek] 1 John 2:13

Dony K. Donev dony at cupandcross.com
Thu Aug 26 00:18:17 EDT 2004


So, based on the quote from Wallace and this discussion, can we safely
conclude that AP' ARCHS directly refers to TON (the One from beginning), and
that under no condition it can directly refer to the PATERES (in the sense
that they have known from the beginning)?



Dony K. Donev
http://cupandcross.com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Steven Lo Vullo" <slovullo at mac.com>
To: "Eddie Mishoe" <edmishoe at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 John 2:13


> As Wallace (p. 211) points out, the article is not a true pronoun in
> Koine Greek. Though it may function *semantically* as a pronoun, this
> is an English way of looking at it. The closest to an actual pronominal
> use is with the MEN ... DE construction or with DE alone. And this is
> only with the nominative.
>
> Also, in this particular situation, if the author had intended a
> pronominal direct object here it would no doubt have been AUTON or
> perhaps TOUTON/EKEINON with a relative clause containing the
> prepositional phrase AP' ARCHS, or an equivalent elliptical
> construction, as is common.
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