[B-Greek] "episemoi en tois apostolois"

CWestf5155 at aol.com CWestf5155 at aol.com
Sun Aug 29 03:40:05 EDT 2004


<<In a message dated 8/28/2004 8:35:10 PM Mountain Standard Time, 
AwenDawn at ap.net writes:
Hello Cindy, Thank you for your reply. Now if we look at Matthew 20;26
It shall not be so among (en) you; but who ever would be great among
(en) you must be your servant. RSV interlinear greek english NT. Tony
Fisher online greek:
ouc outwV estai (en) umin: all oV ean qelh (en) umin megaV genesqai
estai umwn diakonoV,

Daniel B. Wallace, Ph.D.http://www.bible.org/docs/soapbox/rom16.htm


I am not sure when wallace wrote this but His idea that accent markers
in the 13th and 14th century minuscule manuscripts  are a reliable
source  for the masculine rendering of Iounian
does not work. According to Moo there is a 9th century manuscript that
actually represents an important exception to the contracted form and
supports the feminine form rather than the masculine.5 Actually there
is evidence  that the early church fathers accepted the feminine form
up until the time of Epiphanius who it seems had a hard time accepting
women in the church for he also Identified "Prisca" as male. He does
not seem to be reliable source. It is not my Idea to be discussing
gender here but I cannot help wonder if the reluctance to Identify
Andronicus and Junia as apostles has something to do with gender. It
seems as if someone has to go a longway out of the general scripture
to come up with "to" as the most likely correct rendering of this
passage. How one looks to what an apostle actually is might also
influence translation but is sould not.  Awen
I am the light of the world; he who follows me will not walk in
darkness, but will have the light of life. John 8:12>>

For example, Greek-speaking John Chrysostom explicitly identified Junia as a 
woman and an apostle.  He appeared to regard her as an amazing example of 
counter-expectation. 

I agree with you that this verse does appear to evoke some interesting acr
obatics,  when someone tries to constrain the semantic range of EN + dative and 
tries to establish the masculine gender of Junia's name at the same time.

Cindy Westfall
Denver Seminary



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