[B-Greek] TR text?
Wilson Hines
wilsonhines at hotmail.com
Sun Aug 29 14:39:47 EDT 2004
1. I have been saved for 14 and one half years.
2. I have been on the Internet for most of it and on forums just like this
group.
3. I have never seen language like this used by any Christian on any group
I have ever been involved with.
4. Brother, if you are a Brother, please don't use this group. I don't
have any authority here, just making a request.
Wilson Hines
wilsonhines at hotmail.com
Libronix 2.1b (www.logos.com)
Independent Baptist
Mt. Olive, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Dickinson [mailto:stalepie at comcast.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 2:34 PM
To: wilsonhines at hotmail.com; 'Carl W. Conrad'; 'Biblical Greek'
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] TR text?
To any stranger who cares to respond,
Which translation is the closest to the Word of God, since the originals
have been lost, and now only exist as copies? I have had it up to HERE with
the endless multiplicity of Holiest Yet English translations that have
flooded the marketplace. I am attempting to read the Bible, and because I am
not vested in heritage so that I might prefer to read the one of my
childhood which I am most familiar with, I instead much approach this
analytically, and intuitively, comparing this translation with that
translation, one after another, of which there are as we know dozens and
dozens, before I can settle on one to use. I do not like the following
approaches:
1) There is no single Word of God, but it does exist in a variety of
translations, so long as you let the holy Spirit guide you
2) There is no Word of God, there is only the work of translators, which is
the work of men, and
3) Learning the Hebrew and the Greek may be the best shot, because then you
can study the originals in all their glory.
Well, I have considered learning Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic and even
Latin, if only because I have great difficulty in trusting the 1001
translators of today, and the thousands more of yesterday, on this rather
contentious matter, which seems will never be settled, not today, nor after
the fifth and seventh coming of Christ; that is, never.
But why must I become a scholar just to read the fucking Word of God?
Is my cussing profane and vulgar in this context? Am I being offensive. WELL
THAT'S THE INTENTION, you eggheads.
I just want to know: where is the Word of God, and what's it called? Has it
ever been properly and successfully and recommendly translated into good
English, and is this copy indeed the King James Version of 1769? Must I
learn the Koine Greek, and the Biblical Hebrew, which hardly no one today
speaks fluidly (even in the latter case with Orthodox Chasdic Jews living in
Jerusalem)? I mean, which body of manuscripts do I put my life and my
family's life's trust in? The ones from Alexandria? The ones from Antioch,
which before I read this article sent to me by Wilson Hines, whoever he is,
I thought was called the Received Text/Textus Receptus?
Also: where do I buy it, too, once that I at least know its title? Hopefully
it's not that expensive fascimile of the Geneva Bible, truly the Bible of my
American Protestant ancestors, yet maybe it is. I mean, as of late, I've
been reading two Jewish Publication Society translations of the Tanach,
because I was thinking maybe they have the Word down pat, and then also
recently I bought a copy of the Qu'ran in English, because I thought maybe
even the Word isn't found in the Bible, but in something entirely else.
Hell, maybe it's in Anton LaVey's holy Book, too, yeah?
If there is one thing that makes me turn atheist, it's that it's impossible
to find any two people that stridently and fervently agree on any one thing
about the Christian religion. I Hate this crass democracy of religious ideas
we call Protestantism. It makes me furious. It makes me want to go out and
slaughter vast multitudes of ignorant know-nothing preachers in my locality,
okay?
Matthew Dickinson, Duluth Georgia
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wilson Hines" <wilsonhines at hotmail.com>
To: "'Carl W. Conrad'" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>; "'Biblical Greek'"
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Cc: "'Matthew Dickinson'" <stalepie at comcast.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 8:32 AM
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] TR text?
I personally responded to Matthew with the following text, remember this is
coming from what used to be one of the staunchest KJO people on the planet -
I just started doing balanced reading of the facts:
Hey there Matthew,
I have a T.R as well. I don't use it much anymore, however. The truth is
about the editions is there are many different editions of the T.R and the
truth is that the "Stephanus 1550" T.R (do a Google search for several free
copies on the net) was used in the King James Version of the Bible. You can
even find many different editions on Ebay as well. I was bidding on a
Scrivener's 16xx just the other day on EBay!
Over at www.tbs-sales.org is the T.R that most colleges (that still use the
T.R) teach Greek with. More specifically
(http://www.tbs-sales.org/site/sales/category.asp?id=3#) Scroll down a bit
and there it is titled: Koiné Greek New Testament (Textus Receptus)
The question for you is why? If you would, please read this article I have
put here at the bottom of my e-mail. It was in the Detroit Baptist Seminary
Journal Volume 1. It is some of the best reading on the subject for a fair
minded person I have ever read.
(with the special formatting, I couldn't paste the article in here so here
is the URL - http://www.dbts.edu/dbts/journals/1996_1/ERASMUS.PDF
Wilson Hines
wilsonhines at hotmail.com
Libronix 2.1b (www.logos.com)
Independent Baptist
Mt. Olive, NC
-----Original Message-----
From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Carl W. Conrad
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 6:14 AM
To: Biblical Greek
Cc: Matthew Dickinson
Subject: [B-Greek] TR text?
Forwarded for: "Matthew Dickinson" <stalepie at comcast.net>
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Subject: Tischendorf reprint?!
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:04:51 -0400
I was wondering if you could give me advice about which Greek Textus
Receptus edition I should order? I came across your three-year-old post by
searching for "Pierson Publishing Group," after seeing their listings on
Amazon for various Received Text editions, hoping that ordering directly
from them I could find cheaper deals than what Amazon was offering. However,
I too could not find anything on them on the internet. Perhaps they never
existed, or perhaps they went out of business, but do you know where I can
find a good (and hopefully affordable) Textus Receptus?
Thank you,
Matthew Dickinson
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