[B-Greek] Hosea 1:10
Albert Pietersma
albert.pietersma at sympatico.ca
Sat Dec 11 11:28:10 EST 2004
On Dec 11, 2004, at 9:54 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
> At 9:24 AM -0500 12/11/04, Timrake at aol.com wrote:
>> In a message dated 12/11/04 12:52:09 AM, lenesen at yahoo.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> For EN TWi TOPWi hOU, Brenton has "in the place
>>> where." But I wonder if the meaning is perhaps less
>>> physical something like "instead of."
>>>
>> I thought that's pretty much what the idiom means.
>
> English "in place of ..." and "in-stead of" do in fact mean the same as
> French "au lieu de" and German "anstelle von" ..., ; why should EN
> TOPWi
> hOU (where hOU = hOPOU) be so different? In this instance the idioms
> are
> fairly common, at least among European languages.
That TOPOS can be used metaphorically, is not in question. That the
phrase EN TW TOPW in Hos 1:10 functions as a prepositional, as the
English, French, German phrases clearly do, is quite another matter, it
seems to me. That the passage as a whole might favour such a use,
similarly does make EN TW TOPW into a prepositional. That the Greek
verse is scarcely a model of semantic transparency is obvious as well
from the way in which G renders YE)MER LAHEM. To say the least, using
KLHQHSONTAI instead of the earlier ERREQH should have resulted in the
dropping of LAHEM, since AUTOIS couldn't possibly work. Yet G insists
on representing LAHEM and opts for KAI AUTOI, which represents the
Hebrew quantitatively but distorts its meaning. Note further that,
whereas in the Hebrew the two occurrences of YE)MER are
aspectually/temporally identical, G makes them into past and future
respectively.
Thus in my reading, TW TOPW structurally is the antecedent of OU, and
semantically refers to a physical location. What that location might be
is certainly not obvious, though it might CONCEIVABLY be the temple
or the land——assuming that G thought seriously beyond the clause level.
Al
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Albert Pietersma
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Near & Middle Eastern Civilizations
University of Toronto
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