[B-Greek] 1 Cor. 13:10 (TELEIOS)

Charles Rempel CharlesR at mygalaxyexpress.com
Mon Dec 27 10:06:26 EST 2004


I believe that James is being a bit hypothetical here: the person who is able to 
do this really has arrived, and doesn't need anything more.  I've never met 
anyone who quite fits this description.  Have you?

N.E. Barry Hofstetter

You mean your not there? :-)

My response would be question whether this is anymore hypothetical than any other usage. It would appear to me that this is more attainable than the command to be TELEIOS as the Father is TELEIOS in Matthew 5:48. If this is hypothetical, would that not be hypothetical to a greater degree? 

Furthermore, if the context of James determines it to be hypothetical, does that not lend itself more to my definition than the one offered?

Charles D. Rempel
30 year student
Without portfolio

> However, TELEIOS does not simply imply mature, but fully mature, not able to
> grow any more, and
> hence complete.  This is what the English word "perfect" means: nothing need
> be added.  You will notice that the lexicons so define the word...
>
>
> While the above definition does fit most passages, would you than infer then
> that the one who controls his tongue (James 3:2) can grow no more in
> TELEIOS?
>
> James 3:2 For we all stumble in many ways. If anyone does not stumble in
> what he says, he is a TELEIOS man, able to bridle the whole body as well.
>
> This verse appears to leave the door open for further improvement, i.e. we
> all stumble in many ways. And does DUNATOS infer more than power to control
> the whole body and demand actual control of the body at all times in order
> to be TELEIOS?
>
> (I learned the definition of TELEIOS to be "to reach a designated
> objective".)


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