[B-Greek] Eph 4:11-12

Charles Rempel CharlesR at mygalaxyexpress.com
Wed Dec 29 10:34:52 EST 2004


I am responding with a desire to learn the functional rules of this list.

It appears to me that we have two experts who disagree. On the one hand, who
on the basis of personal authority makes a declarative statement. Since I
am not familiar with his qualifications, although I have a tendancy to agree
with him, I would not accept his statments simply on his personal signature.
On the other hand we have a ?tri-lingualist" who cites a German reference
which is not inspired and whose state is on the same standing as the first
assertion, but with whom I would have a tendency to disagree.

Arguments from silence are always weak. And I would think that to establish
the "then and now" hypothesis, those who support should cite biblical
examples where it might be clearly evident, or at least hypothetically
viable, or the argument becomes moot.

Comments?

Charles D. Rempel
30 year student
Without portfolio

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[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org]On Behalf Of Jim West
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 7:35 AM
To: Iver Larsen
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Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Eph 4:11-12


At 08:23 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote:

> > So- is it
> > eisegetical to see the verse rendered something like "once apostles and
> > prophets... but now pastors and teachers"  etc?
>
>Yes, it is. And clearly wrong.
>
>Iver Larsen

I'm not so sure.  Anyway, H.J. Klauck hints in this direction in his "Das
Amt in der Kirche nach Eph 4,1-16 " - Wissenschaft und Wahrheit 36
(1973).  So, to say it is "clearly wrong" isn't really quite true.

Best

Jim



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