[B-Greek] Eph 4:11-12
Charles Rempel
CharlesR at mygalaxyexpress.com
Wed Dec 29 12:39:30 EST 2004
At 10:34 AM 12/29/2004, you wrote:
>I am responding with a desire to learn the functional rules of this list.
>It appears to me that we have two experts who disagree. On the one hand,
who
>on the basis of personal authority makes a declarative statement.
JW - I'm not sure what the last sentence means. Would you mind clarifying?
CDR - Pardon my brevity. On the one hand a statement was made that the
hypothetical question was definitely false. On what basis was it determined
to be false? The only basis of authority was ones personal identity, i.e.
Iver Larsen, with whom I am not personally familiar. His declarative
statement was "No."
>Since I am not familiar with his qualifications, although I have a tendancy
to agree
>with him, I would not accept his statments simply on his personal
signature.
JW - Its always wise to weigh the merits of ideas on both a person's
qualifications and on the evidence (in the reverse order). What I mean by
that is that everyones opinion might matter, but not everyone's opinion is
of equal weight. To put it simply, would you go to a witchdoctor for
medical treatment or someone who had been to medical school? Now, transfer
that to any discipline- would you ask advice of Jerry Springer regarding
biblical exegesis or someone who actually had studied it formally?
CR - Some things appear obvious, but there are those who like witch doctors
and Jerry Springer:-) One should also understand that both Jesus and His
disiples were declared to be uneducated and unlearned men.
>On the other hand we have a ?tri-lingualist" who cites a German reference
>which is not inspired and whose state is on the same standing as the first
>assertion, but with whom I would have a tendency to disagree.
JW - I suppose this is a reference to me? And the "tri-linguist" part
implies that my mention of German and Greek plus my writing in English
persuades you that I am at least somewhat familiar with these languages.
I'm just guessing here so correct me if I'm wrong. Your sentence "whose
state is on the same standing as the first assertion, but with whom I would
have a tendency to disagree" is a bit unclear to me. What do you mean?
CR - The person whom you quoted in German made a declarative statement just
as IL did. For all I know IL and the German are of equal authority,
therefore their statements have the same standing with me. I have a tendency
to agree with IL and disagree with the German. (Since I am without portfolio
my opinion has no real bearing on anything and cannot be used to determine
either the truth of the argument, or its fallacy.
>Arguments from silence are always weak. And I would think that to establish
>the "then and now" hypothesis, those who support should cite biblical
>examples where it might be clearly evident, or at least hypothetically
>viable, or the argument becomes moot.
Well I don't know that it becomes moot so much as it remains undemonstrated.
Carl was kind enough to remind me that in order to understand the passage as
I had suggested, and please do recall it was just a suggestion, not a verbum
dei, the phrase would have to be "tote men....
nun de". A reminder for which I am grateful.
>Comments?
>
>Charles D. Rempel
>30 year student
>Without portfolio
JW - I'm not really sure what that means either and if you could flesh it
out a
bit I would be grateful.
CDR - I have been studying the Koine Greek of the Bible for 30 years. I've
read ATR, Dana & Mantey, Blass DeBrunner and a few others along with a "few"
other volumes. I completed my masters of Biblical languages from an
uncertified seminary. I am not published and have no qualifications which
would be acceptable to the academic community. All statements I might make
will have to be evaluated on the basis of what I say and the quality of
argument that I give. And I will give you the same courtesy.
:-) Charles
Best,
Jim
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