[B-Greek] AGAPE in the NT
Brent Hudson
brent at riveroflifembchurch.com
Thu Feb 5 12:33:50 EST 2004
No doubt they were working without the papyri; however, they did have
Josephus, Philo, and the LXX and still came to that conclusion. I'm neither
defending them nor agreeing with them, I'm simply stating that at one time,
there were scholars who held this view. It may be that these scholars
genuinely believed that the language of the NT was in a category all its own
(which no one accepts now). I note this only because a methodological
difference would explain why Josephus and Philo were not factored into their
conclusion. I don't think any of them would be considered sloppy in their
scholarship.
Brent Hudson
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeffrey B. Gibson [mailto:jgibson000 at comcast.net]
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> To: brent at riveroflifembchurch.com
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> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] AGAPE in the NT
>
>
>
> Brent Hudson wrote:
>
> > >
> > > But (I think) this is my point. It is an association that is not
> > > held by most who have actually taken the time to look at
> the usage
> > > of the verb in the Koine in which the NT was written as
> well as in
> > > the NT itself, yes?
> >
> > Well, Westcott was no slouch in Greek nor was Plummer, but both
> > thought AGAPAW referred to a higher form of love than did
> PHILEW. I
> > think Trench also makes this judgment. It is not in favour
> now, but I
> > think there was a time when this was a standard
> interpretation of the
> > Greek text. I'm pretty sure they all would have studied
> the usage of
> > the verb. I guess, wrong conclusions are possible even after much
> > study :-)
>
> Remember that these stalwarts were all working before the
> discovery of the papyri. What does M&M say?
>
> In any case, here's a very incomplete list, compiled using
> only AGAPW as my search term, of the instances of the verb
> in Greek Jewish literature roughly contemporary with the NT
> that shows how the verb was understood in the matrix of
> Christianity. It seems to me that even this small sample
> shows that the claim that within early Christianity the verb
> denoted a Higher Love would be hard to sustain.
>
> Jeffrey
>
> ***********
> Philo Judaeus Phil
> LA 2.48.7
> LA 2.56.3
> LA 3.129.5
> Sac 20.5
> Plant 105.6
> Ebr 84.6
> Sobr 6.2
> Conf 110.1
> Heres 47.3
> Heres 127.2
> Fug 154.6
> Mut 225.2
> Abr 87.4
> Abr 221.3
> Virt 104.5
> Prov 2.58.1
>
> Flavius Josephus Hist
> AJ 1.99.2
> AJ 4.249.4
> AJ 5.342.4
> AJ 6.206.3
> AJ 6.322.3
> AJ 7.254.4
> AJ 7.270.1
> AJ 8.215.6
> AJ 14.463.7
> AJ 18.243.1
> AJ 18.245.1
> AJ 18.361.1
> Ap 2.296.2
> BJ 1.30.4
> BJ 1.72.5
> BJ 1.85.4
> BJ 1.171.3
> BJ 2.360.1
> BJ 2.650.2
> BJ 7.350.2
>
> Apocalypsis Eliae
> Fragmenta frag a,col1.5
> Fragmenta frag b,col2.8
>
> Oracula SibyllinaOracula 2.52
>
> Testamenta XII Ppatriarcharum
> 2.3.6.3
> 9.6.1.3
> 10.2.3.1
> 12.3.4.3
> 12.4.5.2
>
>
> >
> >
> > Brent Hudson
> >
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