[B-Greek] RE: B-Greek Digest, Vol 14, Issue 23

Elizabeth Jones gracenfavourb at hotmail.com
Tue Feb 24 14:10:26 EST 2004


I´m a year 1 student just learning the optative. Apparently its use is very 
rare in the NT. Is there anywhere I can find a list of exactly when it 
occurs there? Greetings. Elizabeth Jones, Manchester UK


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>    1. Re: Machen's NT Greek for Beginners  (John Colby)
>    2. RE: Machen's NT Greek for Beginners (Steve Westfall)
>    3. Re: Machen's NT Greek for Beginners (Joseph Weaks)
>    4. What Book -- Num 21:14 (Bart Torbert)
>    5. written sigma (bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca)
>    6. What Book -- Num 21:14 (Ron Tavalin)
>    7. Questions (Rev. Doug Pickrel, Litt.D)
>    8. Re: written sigma (Carl W. Conrad)
>    9. Re: Questions (Carl W. Conrad)
>   10. Re: Jude 3 (Charles Isaac)
>   11. Re: written sigma (Joseph Weaks)
>   12. Re: written sigma (Polycarp66 at aol.com)
>   13. TRWGW = Chew? (James Jackson)
>   14. Re: TRWGW = Chew? (Arie Dirkzwager)
>   15. Greek "brush-up" tools? (Martin Egerup)
>   16. Re: TRWGW = Chew? (Roblumc at aol.com)
>
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>
>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:19:30 -0300
>From: "John Colby" <colby at solutions2000.net>
>Subject: [B-Greek] Re: Machen's NT Greek for Beginners
>To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <003401c3f968$0b610ad0$3cc2c741 at ufmwbabqbtzgt7>
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>This has been said many times on b-Greek:
>
>Start with a year (or, preferably, more than a year) of classical Greek, 
>and then study NT Greek.
>
>This sounds like a fine method, but what about students like me who have 
>had a year or two of Koine? What are we supposed to do? How should I 
>broaden my understanding of Greek? Should I start out again and take a year 
>of classical Greek?! I see that I need some understanding of classical 
>Greek as I work (slowly) through I Peter 1. Any help appreciated.
>
>Jonathan Colby,
>Guyana, South America
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 12:50:09 -0600
>From: "Steve Westfall" <steve.westfall at comcast.net>
>Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Machen's NT Greek for Beginners
>To: "Barbara D. Colt " <babc2 at comcast.net>
>Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <NDBBIPFJOLBIFEOBKFEDOENBENAA.steve.westfall at comcast.net>
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>Barbara,
>
>Don't know if you noticed, but you replied to me personally instead of the
>list.  You might want to repost it, especially since Carl would likely have
>some helpful explanation of why it's good for students of NT Greek to also
>know classical Greek.
>
>I don't think your analogy holds, because we are talking about which stage
>of an ancient language to begin with.  With English, you are talking about
>learning a modern, living language.  With Greek, knowing classical Greek
>provides insight to the student of the New Testament, because he/she will 
>be
>able to recognize subtleties of style that the student who knows only NT
>Greek might overlook.  I'll let Carl say more if he wishes.
>
>Thanks for your response.
>
>Steve Westfall
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Barbara D. Colt [mailto:babc2 at comcast.net]
>Sent: Sun, February 22, 2004 2:58 AM
>To: Steve Westfall
>Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Machen's NT Greek for Beginners
>
>
>
>
>On 22 Feb 2004 at 0:17, Steve Westfall wrote:
>
> > Why would you expect a grammar of New Testament Greek to prepare you
> > for classical Greek?  This seems unreasonable.  Carl Conrad's approach
> > to a diachronic understanding of Greek seems much better:  Start with
> > a year (or, preferably, more than a year) of classical Greek, and then
> > study NT Greek.
> >
>This seems awfully strange to me. I have great admiration of Carl
>Conrad's understanding of Greek and don't doubt that his advice is
>good, but this seems to me like urging students of English to start
>with Chaucer.
>
>Barbara D. Colt, mailto:babc2 at comcast.net
>St John the Evangelist, San Francisco
> >From envy, hatred, and malice and all uncharitableness
>Good Lord, deliver us.
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 13:34:37 -0600
>From: Joseph Weaks <j.weaks at tcu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Machen's NT Greek for Beginners
>To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <26811936-656E-11D8-AF35-00039303634C at tcu.edu>
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>Crosby and Schaeffer is what I learned on in Greek back in College. I
>didn't have any Latin, but still fell in love with the text. I had my
>first copy "rebound" too... with a big strip of duct tape! I've since
>added a cleaner copy to the shelf which I found in a used bookstore
>with actual picture plates. I think Carl is correct, that I keep C&S
>around for sentimental reasons... it was THE option then. And for the
>old school of learn the paradigms, read actual Greek to reinforce, it
>was quite good.  It is with C&S that I fell in love with the nuances of
>Greek... the readings in Xenophon and other Greek verse... ahhhhh
>Cheers,
>Joe
>
>On Feb 22, 2004, at 8:54 AM, Barry wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > I actually had my copy of the text rebound.  It's a fine beginning
> > text for its
> > time period, and still may be used, as long as the instructor is
> > willing to
> > spend more time in remedial grammatical instruction.
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 14:02:33 -0700
>From: Bart Torbert <Bart.Torbert at ihsenergy.com>
>Subject: [B-Greek] What Book -- Num 21:14
>To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID:
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>
>
>
>
>In the translation called "The Literal Translation of the Holy Bible" by
>Jay P. Green, Numbers 21:14 is contains the phrase
>
>  "therefore, it is said in the Book of the Wars of Jehovah"
>
>  The punctuation seems to lead one to think that this is a reference to
>  some book known by this title.  Does the original LXX support such an
>  implication?  If so, is there any information about what book is being
>  talked about?
>
>  Bart Torbert
>  bart.torbert at ihsenergy.com
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:09:29 -0500
>From: <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca>
>Subject: [B-Greek] written sigma
>To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID:
>	<20040222220929.SHMS20549.tomts14-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.136]>
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>  I am doing some composition work and this involves developing a hand 
>writing style.
>I have been writing the Sigma starting at the top, go down the left side, 
>back up the right, then change direction to make the horizontal line at the 
>top.
>Now I read that this is the cursive Omicron.
>Supposedly the sigma is to be started at the top, go down the right side 
>and back up the left and follow through to the horizontal line.
>I find this way a little sloppy looking but if this is how it is meant to 
>look, I'll go for it.
>Any suggestions? Maybe a web-site that offers help with this?
>Thank you.
>Bert de Haan.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 16:50:24 -0600
>From: Ron Tavalin <rtav at zionweb.org>
>Subject: [B-Greek] What Book -- Num 21:14
>To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <80417866-6589-11D8-990D-0003933EFA48 at zionweb.org>
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>Hello All
>
>In response to Bart Torbert's question, the OT makes reference to
>several works that are lost to us, including the "Book of the Wars of
>Jehovah" (Heb. sefer milchamah YHWH), "the book of the Upright" (Heb.
>sefer hayashar), etc. These lost extra-biblical works are sometimes
>cited as sources for phenomena reported in the Bible (see Josh 10:13,
>for instance).
>
>As for your question regarding the "original LXX" supporting the
>reading of "Book of the Wars of Jehovah," the LXX is not the original
>text for Numbers or any other book of the OT as the LXX is a Greek
>translation of earlier Hebrew Scriptures, that is, the Hebrew/Aramaic
>Old Testament. So "original LXX" is a bit misleading, unless you are
>making reference to a particular ms. of the LXX, and then it is still
>misleading because we have no mss. of the LXX that can be considered as
>"first draft" translations. BTW, the LXX agrees with the Hebrew OT (MT)
>in Num. 21:14 in reference to the "Book of the Wars of YHWH."
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Ron Tavalin
>Adjunct Professor of Bible and Jewish Studies
>Moody Bible Institute
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:17:08 -0600
>From: "Rev. Doug Pickrel, Litt.D" <dpickrel at earthlink.net>
>Subject: [B-Greek] Questions
>To: "b-greek at lists." <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <001101c3f999$fed8cf00$3e9b4a43 at dougk9778tet4s>
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>
>   Hello All,
>
>   I am new to the Greek language and your postings confuse me with the 
>different terms you us.
>
>   What are the differences between
>   Classical Greek,
>   Classic Greek,
>   Attic Greek,
>   Koine Greek,
>   NT Greek?
>
>   Doug.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:20:47 -0500
>From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] written sigma
>To: <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca>
>Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <p0602042cbc5ee96a0c02@[63.153.58.49]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>At 5:09 PM -0500 2/22/04, <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca> wrote:
> > I am doing some composition work and this involves developing a hand
> >writing style.
> >I have been writing the Sigma starting at the top, go down the left side,
> >back up the right, then change direction to make the horizontal line at
> >the top.
> >Now I read that this is the cursive Omicron.
> >Supposedly the sigma is to be started at the top, go down the right side
> >and back up the left and follow through to the horizontal line.
> >I find this way a little sloppy looking but if this is how it is meant to
> >look, I'll go for it.
> >Any suggestions? Maybe a web-site that offers help with this?
> >Thank you.
> >Bert de Haan.
>
>A good option, in my opinion, is to adopt the lunate sigma: the simple "c"
>used for both initial-medial sigma and for final sigma: it's easy to draw
>and it's close to what was actually used at one period in the language's
>long life.
>--
>
>Carl W. Conrad
>Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
>1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
>WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:31:59 -0500
>From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Questions
>To: "Rev. Doug Pickrel, Litt.D" <dpickrel at earthlink.net>
>Cc: "b-greek at lists." <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <p0602042dbc5eea2a3929@[63.153.58.49]>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>At 5:17 PM -0600 2/22/04, Rev. Doug Pickrel, Litt.D wrote:
> >  Hello All,
> >
> >  I am new to the Greek language and your postings confuse me with the
> >different terms you us.
> >
> >  What are the differences between
> >  Classical Greek,
> >  Classic Greek,
> >  Attic Greek,
> >  Koine Greek,
> >  NT Greek?
>
>I've not heard "Classic Greek," but very roughly speaking, there are these
>dates:
>
>Mycenaean Greek (written in the Linear B syllabary): 15th-14th cc. B.C.
>Homeric/Epic dialect: language of the Homeric poems and of later epic
>literature
>	and certain kinds of poetry: 8th century--
>Attic or "Classical" Attic: 5th-4th centuries B.C. and again in formal
>	literature from the later 2nd c. A.D. for two or three more centuries
>Hellenistic = Koine Greek: late 4th c. B.C. - 2nd c. A.D.
>NT Greek: the Koine used in the various books of the GNT: 1st & 2nd cc. 
>A.D.
>Byzantine Greek: 3rd century A.D. -
>
>Again, please note that these are very rough designations of eras. One
>could add an Archaic era of 7th and 6th centuries during which there are
>literary versions of the dialects: Ionic, Aeolic, and Dorian
>
> >  Doug.
>
>Doug, please use a full-name signature in accordance with b-greek
>conventions, even if your full name is in the "From" header.
>--
>
>Carl W. Conrad
>Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
>1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
>cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
>WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 17:37:57 -0600
>From: Charles Isaac <chasisaac at aslannet.org>
>Subject: [B-Greek] Re: Jude 3
>To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <24CA628C-6590-11D8-9EE0-000A95984D5C at aslannet.org>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed
>
>
>On Feb 22, 2004, at 11:00 AM, "Dony K. Donev" <dony at cupandcross.com>
>wrote:
>
> > Jude 3: What translation of EPAGONIZESTHAI would be better than
> > contend?
>
>How about GRAPPLE? I do not think this would be a great translation...
>however... it may work.
>I would agree with Ann CONTEND works well.
>
>Blessings and Peace,
>
>Charles Isaac
>Teacher, New Testament / Old Testament
>Mountain Lake Christian
>Mountain Lake MN
>www.aslannet.org
>www.mtlakechristian.net
>------------------------------------------------------
>Developing Leaders of Noble Character
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 18:41:47 -0600
>From: Joseph Weaks <j.weaks at tcu.edu>
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] written sigma
>To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <0FCDCD42-6599-11D8-AF35-00039303634C at tcu.edu>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-7; format=flowed
>
>I spent many semesters as the teaching assistant to a beginning NT
>Greek class, which meant I interacted with learning students at just
>the level you're talking about.  eg. "How do I make this silly letter?"
>I had a vested interest in their making legible marks since I graded
>their papers!
>I like Carl's recommendation of using the lunate sigma,
>c
>with the possible exception that for the first couple weeks it will add
>to the "Here's another Greek letter that looks like a different English
>letter!" such as eta looking like an "n" or chi looking like an "x".
>But, the main question was about how to make the stroke, and using a
>"c" encourages the same stroke beginning point as making the sigma that
>I ended up encouraging, which is opposite of that which Bert de Hann
>originally described. The "make and 'o' and then add a tail" method
>nearly always ended up producing undesirable script once the student
>formed habits around it in regular writing. I suggest starting at the
>top right and moving left and then circling down to make the "o"
>portion of the sigma. It produces more consistent lettering, IMHO, that
>looked something like the textbook sigma.
>ó
>So, there's very little stroke difference between Carl's suggestion and
>mine. It represents the same contiguous counter-clockwise motion, it
>allows for a variance in just how much of the full sigma letter one
>wants to graph as a general practice, and it also allows for
>explanation regarding how the two (textbook sigma and lunate sigma)
>forms came to be.
>Cheers,
>Joe
>
>On Feb 22, 2004, at 5:20 PM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>
> > At 5:09 PM -0500 2/22/04, <bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> I am doing some composition work and this involves developing a hand
> >> writing style.
> >> I have been writing the Sigma starting at the top, go down the left
> >> side,
> >> back up the right, then change direction to make the horizontal line
> >> at
> >> the top.
> >> Now I read that this is the cursive Omicron.
> >> Supposedly the sigma is to be started at the top, go down the right
> >> side
> >> and back up the left and follow through to the horizontal line.
> >> I find this way a little sloppy looking but if this is how it is
> >> meant to
> >> look, I'll go for it.
> >> Any suggestions? Maybe a web-site that offers help with this?
> >> Thank you.
> >> Bert de Haan.
> >
> > A good option, in my opinion, is to adopt the lunate sigma: the simple
> > "c"
> > used for both initial-medial sigma and for final sigma: it's easy to
> > draw
> > and it's close to what was actually used at one period in the
> > language's
> > long life.
> > --
> >
> > Carl W. Conrad
> > Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
> > 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> > cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
> > WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
> > ---
> > B-Greek home page: http://metalab.unc.edu/bgreek
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> >
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 12
>Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:59:41 EST
>From: Polycarp66 at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] written sigma
>To: bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
>Message-ID: <1d8.1ab30da2.2d6aaa7d at aol.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>In a message dated 2/22/2004 5:10:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>bertdehaan at gosympatico.ca writes:
>I am doing some composition work and this involves developing a hand 
>writing
>style.
>I have been writing the Sigma starting at the top, go down the left side,
>back up the right, then change direction to make the horizontal line at the 
>top.
>Now I read that this is the cursive Omicron.
>Supposedly the sigma is to be started at the top, go down the right side 
>and
>back up the left and follow through to the horizontal line.
>I find this way a little sloppy looking but if this is how it is meant to
>look, I'll go for it.
>Any suggestions? Maybe a web-site that offers help with this?
>______
>
>I probably do it wrong, but once it's completed, who knows how it was done?
>I make a clock-wise 'o' beginning from 12:00 (or perhaps slightly later) 
>and
>simply extend beyond the connecting point.  Unless, of course, you're 
>talking
>about final sigma.
>
>gfsomsel
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 13
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:13:37 -0500
>From: "James Jackson" <jjkoine at insight.rr.com>
>Subject: [B-Greek] TRWGW = Chew?
>To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <000801c3f9f5$b48c4060$9f1a1f41 at insight.rr.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I am currently reading through the gospel of John and came across the word 
>"TRWGW" in chapter 6. I see where many English translations translate this 
>as "eat". I read in BDAG where this word can mean bite or chew. In my copy 
>of Zerwick's they make a distinction between classical = munch and later 
>Greek = ESQIW. In the context of this chapter is it possible that Jesus 
>meant the word as saying "chew my flesh"? I could see where this could be 
>distasteful (absolutely no pun intended) to some of His disciples. Since 
>the twelve disciples stated they would continue following Him they must 
>have known he wasn't talking about cannibalism but I could see where some 
>of the disciples who turned away might not have such an understanding.
>
>
>                                                                    James 
>Jackson
>
>
>
>**************************************************************************************
>http://www.iesouschristos.com- not politically correct but biblically 
>correct
>**************************************************************************************
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 14
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:24:50 +0100
>From: "Arie Dirkzwager" <dirkzwager at pandora.be>
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] TRWGW = Chew?
>To: "James Jackson" <jjkoine at insight.rr.com>,
>	<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <001001c3f9ff$a6c968e0$5a265351 at pandora.be>
>Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Dear James
>
>Meanings of words can change.
>Homer uses the word TRWGW only for animals. Since Herodot it is used also
>for men.
>Besides many words that originally had a specific meaning (bite, chew) can
>later be used in a very common way (eat). That is certainly valid for Koine
>Greek and for Vulgar and Later Latin. And Koine Greek did not start on a
>certain day of a certain year.
>
>So it depends of the context what to do with TRWGW. The dictionary gives
>several instances where the word is used  for the Lord's supper. In my
>opinion that would mean that it generally does not mean anything more that
>"eat". I cannot imagine that the writers of the NT would say that the
>Christians chew or bite the bread on that occasion.
>
>Arie
>
>Dr. A. Dirkzwager
>Hoeselt, Belgium
>e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
>
>----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
>Van: "James Jackson" <jjkoine at insight.rr.com>
>Aan: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Verzonden: maandag 23 februari 2004 11:13
>Onderwerp: [B-Greek] TRWGW = Chew?
>
>
>I am currently reading through the gospel of John and came across the word
>"TRWGW" in chapter 6. I see where many English translations translate this
>as "eat". I read in BDAG where this word can mean bite or chew. In my copy
>of Zerwick's they make a distinction between classical = munch and later
>Greek = ESQIW. In the context of this chapter is it possible that Jesus
>meant the word as saying "chew my flesh"? I could see where this could be
>distasteful (absolutely no pun intended) to some of His disciples. Since 
>the
>twelve disciples stated they would continue following Him they must have
>known he wasn't talking about cannibalism but I could see where some of the
>disciples who turned away might not have such an understanding.
>
>
>                                                                    James
>Jackson
>
>
>
>****************************************************************************
>**********
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>correct
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>
>Message: 15
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 14:31:04 +0100
>From: "Martin Egerup" <m_egerup at tiscali.dk>
>Subject: [B-Greek] Greek "brush-up" tools?
>To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
>Message-ID: <000e01c3fa11$495151c0$a7244f3e at GOLEM>
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>Hi,
>
>After a few semesters of not working with biblical greek, I am trying to 
>brush up on the language again. It is amazing how much you forget in that 
>time ;-) When I started I found good help in learning from Greek Tutor and 
>Hebrew Tutor (and the occasional laugh over the diction on the sound 
>bits,as they differ a bit from what we were taught), and would like to use 
>such a tool to brush up on the two languages.
>But since a few years have passed since I used these tools, I wondered if 
>something better has become available.
>
>My question is, what would you recommend for this application?
>
>Yours,
>
>Martin Egerup
>
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>Message: 16
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:10:11 EST
>From: Roblumc at aol.com
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] TRWGW = Chew?
>To: dirkzwager at pandora.be, b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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>As BDF points out (Paragraph 101 I think) TRWGEIN replaces ESQIW in later
>usage.  This would allow for the verb to be rendered 'eat.'  With a gospel 
>as
>highly nuanced as John's though, the question remains as to whether the 
>verb can
>be rendered 'to feed.'  This would preserve the sacramental quality in 
>chapter
>6 and would also allow for the multiple images in the gospel to be 
>preserved.
>
>
>Rev. Robert Lewis
>Gibbsboro UMC
>Gibbsboro NJ 08026
>Fordham University
>Roblumc at aol.com
>
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