[B-Greek] /sh/ sound?
Arie Dirkzwager
dirkzwager at pandora.be
Mon Jan 5 03:18:30 EST 2004
Dear professor Conrad,
Interesting indeed. You reached a similar conclusion to mine: double
consonant in Greek represents the used consonant with the German ich-Laut
following it.
I will look up my notes from some years ago, but I remember I could not
prove it -like you.
I used like you the ss-tt-variants, but also rr frequently noted as rrh. I
thought that h could represent the ich-Laut as well.
Arie
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
Aan: "Brent Hudson" <brent at riveroflifembchurch.com>
CC: "Ted Shoemaker" <tedsmath at yahoo.com>; "Greek Email List"
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Verzonden: maandag 5 januari 2004 4:27
Onderwerp: Re: [B-Greek] /sh/ sound?
> At 10:37 PM -0400 1/4/04, Brent Hudson wrote:
> >On 1/4/2004 at 5:20 PM Ted Shoemaker wrote:
> >>How best would you express the English /sh/ sound
> >>in ancient Greek?
> >
> >
> >The Hebrew Shin in proper names is often changed to a double sigma in
> >Greek translation (e.g., "Nashon" = NASSWN; Yashay = IASSAI; Menashsheh =
> >MANASSHS, & Mashiach = MESSIAS, to name a few). I don't know how
> >consistantly this was done throughout the LXX.
>
> Interesting! I've hypothesized (knowing that I cannot demonstrate it's
> true) that Attic intervocalic -TT- represented the sound of English -tch-
> or -ch-, while analogous Ionic intervocalic -SS- represented the same
sound
> as English -tsh- or -sh-. These double-consonants normally derive from a
> guttural followed by an iota consonant, sometimes from a dental followed
by
> an iota consonant: e.g. KHRUTTW/KHRUSSW (proclaim) from KHRUK-YW (sounding
> like American English KAY-ROOTCHO or KAY-ROOSHO) or PRATTW/PRASSW (enact)
> from PRAG-YW (sounding like American English PRATCHO OR PRASHO) or
> MELITTA/MELISSA (honey-bee) from MELIT-YA (sounding like American English
> MELITCHA OR MELISHA). While phonetic processes don't necessarily work out
> the same way in all related languages, I've noted the way that Latin
> NUNTIUS becomes Italian Nuncio (pronounced NOON-CHEE-O.
> --
>
> Carl W. Conrad
> Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
> 1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
> cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
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