[B-Greek] LOGIKOS revisited...
waldo slusher
waldoslusher at yahoo.com
Thu Jan 15 09:44:47 EST 2004
Troels:
> I'm not quite up to Waldo Slusher's challenge of
> January 10: "The first thing you should do is to
> research this word and find its semantic boundaries.
> If, during this research, you have found several
> usages for "figuratively," then by all means please
> provide such documentation, since you appear to be
> introducing a new semantic meaning to LOGIKOS." I
> honestly don't know what 'semantic boundaries' are
> but I do know the explanation given in Moulton and
> Milligan: "The Vocabulary of the New Testament"
> though my comparatively poor Greek has not allowed
> me to understand all their examples.
It does virtually no good to find instances where
LOGIKOS means "figuratively" and then ipso facto apply
it to Romans 12. You have to assess the accompanying
syntactical environment. That is all I really meant.
Mitch showed us where PISTIS is rightly translated
"proof" in Acts 17, but one would not translate PISTIS
"proof" unless the contextual environment allow it.
In fact, you will note that I allowed for LOGIKOS to
be translated "figuratively" in your Peter passage,
since the contextual preconditions where obviously
present. I do not see those in Romans 12. I think if
you reread Mike S's response to my comments, you will
see my point exactly.
I certainly did not mean to discourage you from
pursuing such an effort as to demonstrate that the
necessary conditions exist in Romans 12. What I tried
to do, for all our benefit, was to insist that you
demonstrate this by identifying the preconditions for
LOGIKOS to mean "figuratively" in the acient passages
you cited, and then show those sames conditions
present in Romans 12. Peter's passage clearly is
referring to a figurative sense, if not primarily, at
least secondarily or tiertiarily (sp??).
To introduce a figurative sense into Romans 12 must be
accomplished with brute force rather than based on the
contextually developed milieu. But as always, I ought
to be open to contrary evidence to my position. If
such exists, please so provide.
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Waldo Slusher
Calgary, AB
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