[B-Greek] 1 Timothy 5:8

Ann Nyland accuratebibles at ozemail.com.au
Fri Jan 16 01:39:42 EST 2004


Absolutely, Michael. And we Greeks sometimes forget that many laypersons
(indeed, whole denominations) out there believe biological gender matches
grammatical gender in Greek - they see masculine grammatical gender and
think it must be a man - it must be hard for people who are used only to the
English language.

Ann Nyland

----- Original Message -----
From: "mrt" <mrt at hisurfer.net>
To: "b-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Timothy 5:8


> dbielby at bloomingtonvineyard.org   Pastor David Bielby writes:
>
> EI DE TIS TWN IDIWN KAI MALISTA...1 Ti 5:8 I have a question about 1 Ti
5:8.
> In this context Paul seems to be talking about women (widows)...but then
> makes a statement about caring for ones family and uses the masculine
> gender.   Is this a universal application that really means men and women?
> Or is it a masculine only application? Specifically what does TWN IDIWN
mean
> in this verse?
> ________
>
> Hi Pastor David,
>
> I take TWN IDIWN as referring to their own relatives and then what
precedes
> is a more narrow focus: and especially/most of all those members of his
> household (MALISTA OIKEIWN).
>
> So relatives (broad category) to ----> immediate family
>
> Now to answer your question, both TWN IDIWN (one's own [relatives]) and
> OIKEIWN (household) just generally refer to the relatives and family
members
> whether male or female.  So it can mean grandma, grandpa, aunt, uncle,
> daughter, son etc.  The masculinity of these words is simply agreeing with
> TIS (anyone).
>
> Michael Tarver
> Oregon, USA
> <'\\><  laus Deo




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