[B-Greek] Mark 3:13, 14 - present and aorist
Con Campbell
concampbell at netspace.net.au
Sat Jan 24 05:47:33 EST 2004
I for one think these categories are forced. For example, according to
Porter's planes of discourse, the pluperfect should introduce the most
significant features along with the perfect. After examining all 86
pluperfects in the GNT, I don't think it sticks (though may be true-ish for
the perfect). Paul Hopper proposes the opposite to Porter in his
discourse-schema (writing earlier than Porter), with the aorist carrying the
mainline of the narrative, and the present and imperfect being used to
convey 'offline' information. I think this fits the text better.
Con Campbell,
Canberra, Australia
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To: John Colby
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Mark 3:13, 14 - present and aorist
According to Porter's planes of discourse hypothesis
the aorist is the background tense which forms the
basis for the discourse, the present is the foreground
tense which introduces significant characters / events
or makes appropriate climactic references to concrete
situations. I got this from Porter's Idioms of the
Greek NT, but it's probably best to proceed with
caution since Porter is quite contoversial at the
moment!
Jody Barnard
--- John Colby <colby at solutions2000.net> wrote: >
Mark 3:13, 14 reads:
>
> 13. KAI ANABAINEI EIS TO OROS KAI PROSKALEITAI hOUS
> HQELEN AUTOS, KAI APHLQON PROS AUTON 14. KAI
> EPOIHSEN DWDEKA hOUS KAI APOSTOLOUS WNOMASEN hINA
> WSIN MET AUTON KAI hINA APOSTELLHi AUTOUS KHPUSSEIN.
>
> Roughly translated:
>
> 13. And he went up onto the mountain and called (to
> himself) those he desired, and they came to Him. 14.
> And he appointed twelve (whom he named apostles) so
> that they might be with Him and that He might send
> them to preach.
>
> Jesus ANABAINEI and PROSKALEITAI, but those he
> called did not APEPCONTAI but APHLQON. Then Jesus
> EPOIHSEN and WNOMASEN but then APOSTELLHi. I
> understand that Mark uses that
> vivid/dramatic/historical present quite a few times,
> but I am trying to understand why he switches
> between present and aorist, especially in verse 13.
> Is it because of the actual verb (like AP/ERCOMAI)
> or is there some other reason in this passage?
>
> Jonathan Colby
> Guyana, South America
>
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