[B-Greek] 2 Thes 2:3a
Arie Dirkzwager
dirkzwager at pandora.be
Fri Jul 23 12:17:56 EDT 2004
I know that this text is theologically "hot".
But we have to see what we can do with KAI.
As I wrote before, KAI can connect facts that are different or occur
subsequently.
But there is also explicative KAI. That KAI connects a fact and its details.
So we can understand that the apostasy and the man of lawlessness are
different and subsequent facts - of course being part of the same spriritual
climate.
We can also understand (with explicative KAI) that the man of lawlessness is
a prominent factor *in* the apostasy.
If you would like to choose, you have to compare our verse with other verses
about the same period.
Arie
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
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Verzonden: vrijdag 23 juli 2004 14:40
Onderwerp: RE: [B-Greek] 2 Thes 2:3a
> Mitch asked
>
> > > What would be the temporal relationship between
> > the
> > > rebellion coming and the man of lawlessness being
> > > revealed? Are they both one and the same thing?
>
> Iver replied
>
> > Grammar doesn't tell you, but contextually one would
> > assume that the
> > rebellion occurs more or less at the same time as
> > the leader of the
> > rebellion comes forth. But the rebellion is not the
> > same thing as its
> > leader.
>
> This is what I was trying to counter; this kind of
> remark. I'm not saying on a theological level Iver is
> incorrect. What I am saying is that on a grammatical
> level there need be no relationship between the
> Rebellion/Departure and the revealing of this man.
> They many have absolutely nothing in common or in
> relationship. I have noticed a strong theological bent
> toward this position, and again, I am not countering
> this theological persuasion. I just simply want to
> remind us that on a grammatical/semantic/pragmatic
> level(s), no relationship exists between the
> Rebellion/Departure and the revealing of this man.
>
> An English example should be all that is necessary to
> demonstrate this. In this statement:
>
> The year 2010 will not arrive until President Bush
> first completes his term in office and another
> President occupies the Oval office.
>
> There could conceivably be two Presidents that occupy
> the Oval office after Bush completes his term. And
> when you deal with prophetic material, as here in 2
> Thess, you have to allow for variables, some of which
> are unimplied. It is very dangerous to connect the
> dots when dealing with prophetic material.
>
>
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