[B-Greek] 2 Thess.1:12
ann nyland
accuratebibles at ozemail.com.au
Wed Jul 28 23:20:23 EDT 2004
Iver states, I just >noted that the BIbleWorks 6 manual on page 118 based on
> Granville Sharp wrongly >asserts that POIMENAS and DIDASKALOUS in Eph 4:11
"is
> to be understood as a >single office.")
Actually, I didn't get that email, but hendiadys aside, wouldn't it be
pretty obvious from the basics of Greek that POIMENAS and DIDASKALOUS are
connected closely, as it's a MEN followed by a series of answering DEs, and
the POIMENAS and DIDASKALOUS are lumped together under the one DE - hardly
the 5 fold ministry that people claim.
Ann Nyland
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Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: [B-Greek] 2 Thess.1:12
> Iver Larsen iver_larsen at sil.org
> Wed Jul 28 15:20:29 EDT 2004
>
> >From my present understanding of the Granville Sharp rule, the rule
itself
> seems >questionable. It can hardly be used to settle a question of
identity of
> reference. (I just >noted that the BIbleWorks 6 manual on page 118 based
on
> Granville Sharp wrongly >asserts that POIMENAS and DIDASKALOUS in Eph 4:11
"is
> to be understood as a >single office.")
> >
> >Iver Larsen
>
> In the sixties I became acquainted with Dr. E. W. Bullinger's 1100 page
tome,
> Figures of Speach in the Bible. He has sixteen pages on Hendiadys (and two
> pages on Hendiatris). He aptly calls Hendiadys, Two For One. Twelve of
those
> pages are given to two nouns naming one thing, and two pages are give to
two
> verbs naming one thing. "Literally," he says, "hendiadys means, one by
means of
> two. Two words employed, but only one thing, or idea, intended. One of the
two
> words expresses the thing, and the other (of synonymous, or even
different,
> signification, not a second thing or idea) intensifies it by being changed
(if a
> noun) into an adjective of the superlative degree, which is, by this
means,
> made especially emphatic. The two words are of the same parts of speech
...
> always joined together by the conjunction 'and.' The two nouns are always
in the
> same case."
> I'd never heard of the Granville Sharp rule until recently, (still haven't
> seen it in print) but recognized it as Hendiadys.
> We can easily note POIMENAS and DIDASKALOUS in Eph 4:11 as the figure,
> Hendiadys. Both nouns are accusitive masculine singular joined by kai. Dr.
Bullinger
> writes, "i.e., pastors (or shepherds), yes - shepherds who should feed
also;
> or, teachers, yes - teachers who should shepherd also. Not two classes of
> persons, but one; implying that a shepherd who did not feed would fail in
his
> duty" etc.
> Dr. Bullinger devotes one whole page to Matthew 3:11 -- "He shall baptize
> with the Holy Ghost and with fire. First note that there are no articles,
evn
> pneu,mati a`gi,w| kai. puri,, with Holy Spirit and fire. With Holy Spirit,
yes -
> and burning purifying spirit too. Not two things, but one thing: Judgment.
>
> Remington Mandel
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