[B-Greek] hUPOMONH in the Apocalypse...Rev 13:10c

virgil newkirk virgilsalvage1 at msn.com
Sat Jun 5 22:39:04 EDT 2004


Dear George..and all who have been wrestling with this text,

I would like to argue for "endurance" being a wholly appropriate 
representation for hH HUPOMONH, here in this difficult environment described 
in Rev 13:1-10. .


It seems to me that careful consideration with regard to the context of this 
phrase: hWDE ESTIN hH hUPOMONH KAI hH PISTIS TWN hAGIWN, is needed to avoid 
doubting what is the clear definition of HUPOMONH. That being.."remaining 
under", enduring..being under the burden of..staying under the load of. A 
staying under.."something". Endurance !

And before one goes further there is the need to see that this "staying 
under", as well hH PISTIS has a limiting factor to it; the plural gentive 
TWN hAGIWN. The endurance and faith are "characterized by", that is they are 
of the "kind" of TWN hAGIWN..some set apart ones. There is some enduring and 
faith, that are existing, that have the classification of some that are 
holy..sacred..set apart. But even though they are set apart; somehow, this 
endurance and faith that are existing, are hWDE...there. Where ? In the 
whole of the situation that John sees and then metaphorically describes from 
Rev 13:1-10b. Whatever you may evaluate this situation to be, it seems to me 
that the Greek is saying that hWDE..adverbally, there, in that environment 
there is existing an enduring and a faith characterized by " some separated 
ones ". The close context of verse 8 mentions such a thing. All on the earth 
are serving this beast---except the separated ones; yes, the ones who are 
written in the lamb's book of life. Verse 10 may be mis-leading unless we 
take it only as a further description of the situation contained in verses 
1-8. Whatever that, in fact may be. For our discussion it doesn't matter--it 
is only that the hWDE tells us that it is.."there" that an enduring and a 
faith that is of the "saints" kind; exists.

  It--(hH HUPOMONH KAI hH PISTIS TWN hAGIWN) is existing where the the 
dragon is standing on the seashore. Where the beast comes out of the sea. 
Where the dragon is worshipped..where the beast is speaking..where he is 
warring with the saints..where "if" ones are going into captivity they are 
being led into captivity and "if" one is being killed by the sword, he will 
be killed by the sword. Again, I would suggest that metaphorically something 
is being offered here, and whatever that real something is, that is 
happening; there..in that environment will be found enduring and faith 
characterized by "set apart ones".

It seems clear to me that the Greek states this "kind" of endurance and 
faith--"is" existing, there.



Virgil Newkirk
Salt Lake City, Utah 



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