[B-Greek] Re: Scanning Funk's Grammar AND Unicode Greek
Curtis Hinson
curtis at curtishinson.com
Wed Jun 9 04:57:33 EDT 2004
I did some Googling and turned up some commercial scanning/OCR services.
The first one claims 100 languages.
http://www.icpublishing.com.au/
http://www.satsoft.net/ocr-scanning-price.html
http://www.compusolver.com/datahandling/
http://www.abs-corp.com/Image_Capture.htm
This one actually gives information about some of the types of equipment
used for high-speed scanning.
http://www.nomorepaper.com/scanners.htm
I don't know how it would be organized as far as who pays for the scanning
and how one might then distibute the cost to those who want a copy of the
material, so maybe that's not a good option, but it would certainly be far
more efficient if it could be done that way, in my opinion, because there
would be far less image problems and OCR errors to correct.
I agree, by the way, that Unicode is the solution to Greek encoding
problems. I hope someday it will be so standard among students and scholars
that even BGreek could use Unicode Greek istead of transliteration. I have
XP Pro setup for Polytonic Greek so I can switch between typing in Greek and
English by hitting left-Alt-Shift.
This link show XP's polytonic Greek layout and explains how to set it up.
http://www.biblicalgreek.org/links/fonts/keyboard.html
Bless the Name
Curtis Hinson
http://curtishinson.com
Abilene Christian University
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From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Doug &Val McEachern
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 8:10 PM
To: B_GREEK
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Re: Scanning Funk's Grammar
I sure wish I could help, but being in Australia I guess I will just have to
be content to reap the fruit of the labour of others. As for High-speed
scanners, yes I used to service Kodak's range of scanners, so I am not
without some sound insights from a document handling perspective.. A
document scanning company should be able to scan Duplex (both sides) of A4
pages at a rate of at least 120 leaves per minute. I have no Idea what size
the Funk's books were printed in, however most commercial scanners will
handle page sizes up to 20"x20" without a problem. Yes the spine would need
removing, and as for OCR, well I don't have any info on that side of things.
If the favoured OCR (Omnipage pro?) can import a standard tiff file then the
issue should be easily resolved. Duplex scanning is the way to go if you
want hassle free, error free scanning. Duplex scanning will require only one
sheet feed per leaf instead of two, sorry to state the obvious, but the
point is the risk of a document jam is
effectively halved..........jams do happen! So you might want to give that
option some very serious consideration over using a flat bed or even a
simplex rotary scanner.
Doug McEachern
----- Original Message -----
From: "Curtis Hinson" <curtis at curtishinson.com>
To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 5:59 AM
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Re: Scanning Funk's Grammar
A commercial scanning service might be of help. I understand they have
high-speed scanners that require the spine to be removed from the book, and
such a service ought to be able to handle major languages I would think.
Bless the Name
Curtis Hinson
Abilene Christian University
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[mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of Carl W. Conrad
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 5:17 AM
To: Ross J Purdy
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Subject: [B-Greek] Re: Scanning Funk's Grammar
At 10:06 PM -0500 6/7/04, Ross J Purdy wrote:
>OmniPage will recognise the Greek along with the English. It does take
>some work to "train" the OCR software to do it though. One thing that
>makes a difference is to manually draw text zones on each page,
>otherwise it draws several zones around disconnected text and the
>accuracy seems to diminish. I have used e-Sword to paste in greek with
>the accents etc. using the byz GNT. Then I reproof the page and tell it
>to recognise the greek and add it to the user dictionary. As I
>progress, the accuracy improves. The english comes out in Times New
>Roman and the Greek in TITUS Cyberbit Basic which are both unicode I
>believe. Anyways, I can open it up in WordPerfect and do a search and
>replace of the fonts used and convert it to any desired font! It takes
>work but it can be done.
On the basis of what's been said, I think I'd be willing to "sacrifice" my
copy of the 3-volume Funk textbook--it is badly bound and undoubtedly the
pages will need to be removed completely from the binding and
reassembled/rebound later. I don't have a copy of the McGaughey workbook,
but presumably one could be procured. The Greek font of the Funk textbook is
distinctive--I think it may be the old IBM "selectric"; whether that would
make the OCR work on it more difficult I don't know.
I haven't corresponded with Char Matejovsky at Westar Institute since before
Christmas, but one thing she's indicated is that the text must be in Unicode
and preferably in Westar's own Unicode font which she will supply (evidently
its set of symbols and diacriticals includes some important items and has a
couple differences in keyboard input from the major international standard).
We would need to be sure that we are operating within Westar's guidelines
since they hold the copyright (which IS still in effect).
What I would really prefer is for someone to step forward and volunteer to
coordinate this project in cooperation with Westar; it may well be, as has
been suggested, that several persons need to be involved in proofreading,
perhaps in the keying-in of the Greek. Much as I am eager and ready to do a
part in this project, I don't want to coordinate it. Anybody have the time
and willingness to do that?
--
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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