[B-Greek] Acts 7,26A
waldo slusher
waldoslusher at yahoo.com
Mon Mar 22 18:09:05 EST 2004
Harold:
The reason I included my parenthesis was to indicate
that what was destined is the consequence/result of
their choice to disobey, namely, they stumbled.
Perhaps a parallel to what the Greek sense is here
(and elsewhere) would be the law of cause and effect.
Each effect is predetermined based on the nature of
the cause. That is really all this passage in Peter
presents. The (active) disobedience has a predestined
consequence, known as sowing (active: what we do) and
reaping (passive: what happens as a result).
The reason I objected to Dr. Conrad's translation was
simply because his translation of the minor clause
reversed and negated the actions of the main clause.
Peter used the active voices and participle the way he
did for a purpose. He "setup" his conclusion as a
rebuke to them, not as an excuse for them.
And it should be pointed out that what they were
destined to is true of ALL who disobey. Anyone who in
the past disobeyed the word, or in the future should
disobey the word, will likewise suffer the same fate.
Peter's point is not WHO disobeyed, but WHAT HAPPENS
to those who disobey.
All of this would be avoided if we simply gave
ETEQHSAN an ENGLISH middle sense. To me, that best
brings out the Greek cause and effect
(active-passive). As I quoted Iver (not as if he were
agreeing with me), a Greek passive voice must be first
analyzed for its meaning, and then THAT meaning needs
to be carried over to the target language. Sometimes
you can translate a Greek passive with an English
passive, sometimes not. Each case must be evaluated.
Waldo
--- "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard at ont.com>
wrote:
> Dear Waldo,
>
> >However, in light of Dr. Conrad's objection, I
> would
> >not object to retaining an ENGLISH passive
> translation
> >here [1 Pet 2:8] as long as the active verbals and
> causal
> >participle are reflected in such a translation.
>
> >They stumbled because they disobeyed the word, as
> they
> >were destined to (stumble...BECAUSE THEY DISOBEYED
> THE
> >WORD).
>
> >If this sense is not convey in English, the English
> >reader could get the wrong impression that they
> were
> >destined to disobey! (The active voice, and I would
> >argue the causal participle, does not allow this
> >implicature.)
>
> HH: I like your approach but think your translation
> still has the same
> problem without the parenthetical words. What if the
> dependent participle
> were moved forward? It's a bit clumsy but less
> confusing:
>
> ! Pet 2:7-8: Therefore to you is the value, to the
> ones who believe, but
> for the disobedient the stone which the builders
> rejected became the head
> of the corner, a stumbling stone, and a rock causing
> collapse, who because
> they are disobedient to the word stumble, as also
> they were destined to.
>
> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
>
>
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