[B-Greek] 1 Cor 6:16
Doug &Val McEachern
applejuice at ozemail.com.au
Tue Mar 23 07:32:31 EST 2004
Thanks that is what I thought.
Doug McEachern
----- Original Message -----
From: "Arie Dirkzwager" <dirkzwager at pandora.be>
To: "Doug &Val McEachern" <applejuice at ozemail.com.au>; "B_GREEK"
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Cor 6:16
> Doug,
>
> In my message I did not write about the grammatical gender of SWMA. I
meant
> that SWMA was used merely to indicate the body, without positive or
negative
> judgments or theological connotations.
>
> Arie
>
>
> Dr. A. Dirkzwager
> e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
>
> ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> Van: "Doug &Val McEachern" <applejuice at ozemail.com.au>
> Aan: "B_GREEK" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> Verzonden: maandag 22 maart 2004 23:59
> Onderwerp: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Cor 6:16
>
>
> > Dr. Airie, thanks for your input.
> > I'm not sure I understand your meaning when you refer to SWMA being
> neutral.
> > Are you referring to it being neuter gender or rather just neutral in
the
> > sense of being a generalisation with no specific or definitive action
> > intended?
> > The later is the meaning I am taking til or unless you correct me.
> > I do apologise for the delay in my reply, I just get caught up at times.
> >
> >
> > Doug McEachern
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Arie Dirkzwager" <dirkzwager at pandora.be>
> > To: "Doug &Val McEachern" <applejuice at ozemail.com.au>; "B_GREEK"
> > <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 10:58 PM
> > Subject: Re: [B-Greek] 1 Cor 6:16
> >
> >
> > > Interesting questions.
> > > In your text the word SWMA is neutral. Already in verse 15 it is the
> body
> > > without further connotations.
> > > In quoting the OT the word SARX is used.
> > > In Col 1: 22 Paul uses both words without influence of the OT text: EN
> TWi
> > > SWMATI THS SARKOS. By adding SARX he expresses the view that the body
of
> > > Christ was really a normal "fleshy" body. Probably his opponents were
> > early
> > > gnostics who despised the body. I think he uses some irony or humour
> > because
> > > the major blessing Christ gives originated EN TWi SWMATI THS SARKOS.
> > > So if you would like to make a difference, SARX highlights the
functions
> > or
> > > the "material" of the body, whereas SWMA is more neutral.
> > >
> > > I think that the biblical notion of becoming one flesh means that
after
> > > sexual intercourse the two persons can be seen as two parts of one
body.
> > > Splitting them by devorce would be as absurd as splitting the body of
> one
> > > person.
> > > And being a part of the body of a prostitute .......
> > >
> > > Arie
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dr. A. Dirkzwager
> > > Hoeselt, Belgium
> > > e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
> > >
> > > ----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
> > > Van: "Doug &Val McEachern" <applejuice at ozemail.com.au>
> > > Aan: "B_GREEK" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
> > > Verzonden: woensdag 10 maart 2004 10:55
> > > Onderwerp: [B-Greek] 1 Cor 6:16
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings to all B_GREEK people, I have question which is likely not
> > welcome
> > > for discussion on this list so I hope someone will undertake to
address
> it
> > > off list.
> > > My question is why Paul uses SWMA and SARX or SARKA in the same
> sentence.
> > > Exactly what distinction is meant by 'one body' and 'one flesh'.
> Certainly
> > > the later is God's ideal, whereas the former falls short of God's
> purpose.
> > > >From the text, is it legitimate to understand that though inferior,
the
> > > 'one body' becomes a sort of one flesh substitute?
> > > One flesh by default? Or is Paul drawing a clear contrast between the
> > two,
> > > and saying perhaps that the former becomes a person of the same
> substance
> > > and hence indistinguishable from the prostitute? In other words
> > > effectively a prostitute also? A sort of backward step of losing his
> > > identity instead of a forward step of creating a new identity. I
guess
> > > this is a question of interpretation and so I would be appreciative of
> any
> > > Greek language based help that can be given off list.( or on list if
> that
> > is
> > > possible)
> > >
> > > My E-mail address is applejuice at ozemail.com.au it would be most
helpful
> > if
> > > the following E-mail address could be inserted in the cc field as well
> > > olszta at comcast.net
> > >
> > > Thank you very much in anticipation,
> > >
> > > Doug McEachern
> > >
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