[B-Greek] Re: Hebrews 13:17 Question
Jon Boyd
boyd at huxcomm.net
Wed May 5 13:46:28 EDT 2004
David,
I didn't see that anyone else tried to answer your question, so I'll give it
a try.
Heb. 13:17
PEIQESQE TOIS hHGOUMENOIS hUMWN KAI hUPEIKETE, AUTOI GAR AGRUPNOUSIN hUPER
TWN YUCWN hUMWN hWS LOGON APODWSONTES, hINA META CARAS TOUTO POIWSIN KAI MH
STENAZONTES; ALUSITELES GAR hUMIN TOUTO.
BDAG lists one meaning with three submeanings for the passive and middle of
PEIQW:
"To be won over as the result of persuasion"
(a) be persuaded, believe
(b) obey, follow w. dat. or pers. or thing
(c) Some passages stand betw. A and b and permit either transl., w. dat. be
persuaded by someone, take someone's advice or obey, follow someone
Under meaning (b) they list Rom. 2:8; Gal. 3:1 v.1.; 5:7; Heb. 13:17; Jam.
3:3
James 3:3 shows quite obviously that the word can have sense (b) with a
sense of authority present (horses aren't persuaded by a person's lifestyle
or message but by a bit).
The combination of PEIQESQE with hUPEIKETE would also imply some authority,
since hUPEIKW has the meaning "to yield to someone's authority" (BDAG).
Also, the fact that the leaders must watch hWS LOGON APODWSONTES (as ones
who will give an account) would also seem to reinforce the idea of an
authority structure in this passage (1 Pet. 5:1-5 would be relevant to the
leadership issue but not this post).
Hope this helps,
Jonathan Boyd
Huxley, IA
www.BoydHome.com
I'm being challenged on my understanding of PEIQESQE in this passage.
Essentially I'm being told that the term here 'obey' carries the idea that
one should obey because you have been persuaded by the lifestyle or message
of the leaders...and that the idea of obeying leaders because they have
authority to call you to obedience is absent in this verse. UPAKOUW would
have been used to convey that concept...but it wasn't. If this is correct,
is it because of the use of PEIQESQE and it's relationship to PEIQW &
PEIQOS?
My tools are limited and don't provide other perspectives. Would you be
able to elaborate for me on this term and it's immediate context?
Thank you!!
David Bielby
Pastor
dbielby at bloomingtonvineyard.org
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