[B-Greek] TI in Gal 2.6
Eric Sowell
eric.sowell at lexelsoftware.com
Mon Nov 29 01:48:54 EST 2004
Hmmm...that does seem to be the correct. I figured this might be a case
of the "I forgot that construction existed" syndrome :). I do that all
the time... I'm not sure where you looked, Steven, but I just checked
the Bibleworks morphology and it is also an accusative there. Thanks for
the thoughts, guys. I like to learn things!
Eric
Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>At 10:20 PM -0600 11/28/04, Eric Sowell wrote:
>
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>>It is the predicate of EINAI, but since EINAI is an infinitive, it would
>>take both subjects and predicates in the accusative. See also Luke 4:41
>>for another example, or Wallace's grammar (if you have it) under
>>"Predicate Accusative" (pg 191) for more examples.
>>
>>
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>I don't think this is quite right, and in fact, I believe that the TI is
>indeed a predicate word with EINAI depending on DOKOUNTWN but that it
>should be understood as nominative rather than accusative--that is, I think
>that Steven was right and the tagging is wrong.
>
>Lk 4:41 is different: HiDEISAN TON CRISTON AUTON EINAI; here the entire
>phrase TON CRISTON AUTON EINAI is object of HiDEISAN, AUTON is the subject
>of the infinitive and TON CRISTON is the predicate word.
>
>BDAG s.v. DOKEW §2 a. intr.
> alpha: have the appearance ...
> beta: be influential, be recognized as being something, have a
>reputation (cp. Sus 5; 2 Macc 1:13. hOI DOKOUNTES (Eur., Hec 295;
>Petosiris, fgm 6 In. 58 hOI DOKOUNTES = the prominent dignitaries; Herodian
>6,1,1; Jos. C. Ap. 1, 67) the influential men Gal 2:2, 6b. A fuller
>expression with the same meaning, with inf. added (X., Cyr. 7, 1, 41; Pla,
>Gorg 472a, Euthd 303c hOI DOKOUNTES EINAI TI; Plut. Mor 212b DOKOUNTAS
>EINAI TINAS; Epict., Ench 33, 12; Herodian 4, 2,5; Philo, Mos. 2, 241) vss.
>6a, 9 (Pla., Apol. 6, 21b hOI DOKOUNTES SOFOI EINAI) ...
>
>In usages cited there we see the nominative of the predicate word when the
>subject of DOKOUNTES is nominative, the accusative with DOKOUNTAS EINAI.
>
>The construction in our text (Gal 2:6) is different in that the participle
>is itself in the genitive plural: TWN DOKOUNTWN; even so, "having a
>reputation as being something" involves DOKEW in an intransitive
>construction rather than in a transitive one taking an accusative object as
>in Lk 4:41 where the subject-infinitive-predicate construction is
>controlled by the verb OIDA which does take the oratio obliqua construction
>in the accusative.
>
>cf. also LSJ DOKEW II. 5. 5. to be reputed, c. inf., Pi.O.13.56, P.6.40;
>axioi humin dokountes Th.1.76 ; dokountes einai ti men who are held to be
>something, men of repute, Pl. Grg.472a; to dokein tines einai . .
>proseilêphotes D.21.213 ; to phronein edokei tis einai perittos Plu.Arist.1
>; hoi dokountes Heraclit.28 (dub.), E.Hec.295; ta dokounta, opp. ta mêden
>onta,
>
>One might also have a look at Smyth §§1982, 1983.
>
>Since the form TI could be either nominative or accusative, there's really
>no way of affirming that in our instance it is one rather than the other,
>although, as I've said, I really think it is nominative here and should be
>so tagged. I'm reminded of Joshua Whatmough declaring once that he thought
>the accusative absolute ought really to be understood as a nominative
>absolute but that it could never be proved because the forms would be
>identical.
>
>
>
>>Steven Lo Vullo wrote:
>>
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>>
>>>One last question for today.
>>>
>>>Gal 2.6 APO DE TWN DOKOUNTWN EINAI TI...
>>>
>>>Both tagged texts I have mark TI as neuter singular accusative. Why is
>>>this? Isn't TI the predicate of EINAI, and shouldn't it therefore be
>>>nominative? What am I missing?
>>>============
>>>
>>>Steven Lo Vullo
>>>Madison, WI
>>>
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