[B-Greek] Questions on Gal 2:17 - AUTOI

Remington186 at aol.com Remington186 at aol.com
Wed Oct 20 10:57:40 EDT 2004


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Harold R. Holmyard III hholmyard at ont.com 
Tue Oct 19 21:07:08 EDT 2004 

Harold writes, in response to,
Kelly McDonald <w4kpm at adelphia.net>
Simple seminary student (M.Div. track)
Eastern Mennonite University

>Dear Kelly,
>>Gal 2:17 . . . EUREQHMEN KAI AUTOI AMARTWLOI, . .
>>Please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I'm thinking that the AUTOI
>>AMARTWLOI functions as a predicate nominative with  the 1st person (we)
>>subject of the verb, and AUTOI functions as an intensifier, to read
>>something like "even we are found to be sinners." but to be honest, I am
>>somewhat confused by this structure. Anyone willing to shed some light
>>on it? Why is it AUTOI and not HMEIS? (i.e. 3rd and not 1st) or is it
>>ust to match the case/gender of AMARTWLOI??

>Yes, that's right. The first meaning of AUTOS is, according to BAGD, "self: >
intensive, setting the individual off from everything else, and contrasting; 
used in all >persons, genders, and numbers." So here one could say, "lest we 
be found, also >ourselves, sinners." 
>Yours, 
>Harold Holmyard

Dear Harold,
The use of AUTOI, in the sense presented here, has come up on the list 
previously.
But first, you are presenting EUREQHMEN, which is, indicative, aorist, 
passive [with the sibilant elided for euphony], in a subjunctive sense with your 
addition of 'lest.'

In this instance AUTOI is adverbial and intensive; qualifying, modifying, 
AMARTWLOI. Synonymous with very; truly; really; in a high degree; to a great 
extent; extremely; exceedingly.

CRISTOS IHSOUS HLQEN EIS TON KOSMON AMARTWLOUS SWSAI, WN PRWTOS EIMI EGW

Best regards,
Remington Mandel
Hemet CA USA
ps: Jerome has, inventi sumus et ispi [very] peccatores.



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