[B-Greek] The sense of APO/AF in 1 Peter 4:17

Mike Dewus dewus at bluemarble.net
Fri Oct 29 00:20:57 EDT 2004


It sure looks like an allusion, as you say. The 1 Pet. verse is surely a 
temporal counterpart...


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harold R. Holmyard III" <hholmyard at ont.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] The sense of APO/AF in 1 Peter 4:17


> Dear Mike,
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>>Blank1 Peter 4:17: hOTI hO KAIROS TOU ARXASQAI [aorist middle infinitive] 
>>TO KRIMA *APO* TOU OIKOU TOU QEOU-EI DE PRWTON *AF* hHMWN, TI TO TELOS TWN 
>>APEIQOUNTWN [present active participle] TWi TOU QEOU EUAGGELIWi?
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>>Young Literal= because it is the time of the beginning of the judgment 
>>*from* the house of God, and if first *from* us, what the end of those 
>>disobedient to the good news of God?
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>>ASV= For the time [is come] for judgment to begin *at* the house of God: 
>>and if [it begin] first *at* us, what [shall be] the end of them that obey 
>>not the gospel of God?
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>>RSV= For the time has come for judgment to begin *with* the household of 
>>God; and if it begins *with* us, what will be the end of those who do not 
>>obey the gospel of God?
>>
>>NKJV= For the time has come for judgment to begin *at* the house of God; 
>>and if it begins *with* us first, what will be the end of those who do not 
>>obey the gospel of God?
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>>QUESTION: In New Testament usage, APO  can be a preposition reflecting 
>>either separation (in space or time), or origin ( of a cause, where 
>>something befalls, comes, or is taken). Should not APO/AF be rendered as a 
>>preposition of origin ("at" or "with" in both places) here based on the 
>>context, and seeing there is no verb of motion to be found? I am in no way 
>>a grammarian (Greek or English)--I was wondering what other grammatical 
>>points may be adduced to get at the sense of APO/AF here. Thanks, God 
>>bless.
>
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> HH: This is probably an allusion to Ezek 9:6, which in Greek uses the same 
> verb ARCW and the preposition APO, but there is a spatial point of origin:
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> Ezek. 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and 
> women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my 
> sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.
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> Yours,
> Harold Holmyard
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>>kind regards, Mike Dewus
>>dewus at bluemarble.net
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