[B-Greek] 1 Cor. 7:1,2
Jeffrey B. Gibson
jgibson000 at comcast.net
Fri Oct 29 22:23:08 EDT 2004
"Harold R. Holmyard III" wrote:
> Dear Jeffrey,
>
> > > >It actually just means to have a woman, not necessarily a wife (we have to
> >> >be careful not to impose our own cultural viewpoint on western marriage
> >> >today back into marriage in first century Palestine), and the current
> >> >scholarship certainly is precisely as Joe Weaks stated it.
> >>
> >> HH: What point are you trying to make? Do you think Paul would not go
> >> along with God's idea of marriage?
> >
> >The issue isn't what Paul would or would not go along with (even if it doesn't
> >beg all sorts of off topic questions to assert, as you do, that
> >there is such a
> >thing as "God's idea of marriage"), is it?. It's what the expression in
> >question meant in Koine.
>
> HH: Paul was the one who used the phrase, so it is right to ask what
> Paul would have meant by it. Are you saying that some current theory
> makes verse 2 a quote from the Corinthians earlier letter as well?
No.
> Of
> course, we know God's idea of marriage. Jesus gives us God's idea of
> marriage in Matthew 19:4-12 and other places, as does the rest of
> Scripture.
I find it methodologically questionable to read what Paul wrote in the light of what
Matthew reports Jesus as saying.
>
> Or are you saying we shouldn't use the word "wife"? That's the word
> we use in our culture, even if GUNH could cover both "woman" and
> "wife." Are you suggesting Paul just means a man should have a woman
> and not a wife?
I'm wondering why you seem to think the meaning a word has in our culture is and
should be the criterion for determining what it meant in another.
>
>
> HH: Together those questions provide a good understanding of the sort
> of information I was looking for. The word GUNH means both woman and
> wife in Koine. You see, from Ann's words it's not clear whether she's
> focusing on GUNH alone or adding in ECW. That's why a person asks
> questions. The expression ECW GUNH must be what you have in mind.
> That's why I gave Mitch numerous verses that show this phrase to mean
> "have a wife" in the sense of be married. That's the only meaning
> that the expression has in biblical materials.
That's the meaning it has in Matthew -- which is the only other place besides 1 Cor
7:2, 12 and Esd1 9.18 where it appears. But why beg the question and say that the
sense it has in Matthew **has** to be the sense with which Paul was using it,
especially since Paul was writing to an audience which is quite different ethnically
and culturally from that of Matthew.
> If you have evidence
> of some other meaning for the expression ECW GUNH, and have a reason
> why it's relevant, I would be glad to read about it.
You might have a look at the following. Why these instances are relevant is that
they indicate how the expression was used by Greek speakers and Diaspora Jews.
Euripides Trag.
051 1163
Herodotus Hist.
Hist 2.181.8
Hist 4.114.1
Hist 4.114.18
Hist 4.115.7
Hist 5.40.9
Aristophanes Comic.
Av 1536
Xenophon Hist.
Symp 2.9.5
Cyr 3.3.3.2
Cyr 7.3.11.3
Scylax Perieg.
Periplus Scylacis 71.1
Melanippides Lyr.
Fragmenta 1.2
Cratinus Comic.
Fragmenta 181.2
Fragmenta Pyt.1.2
Eupolis Comic.
Fragmenta 109.1
Fragmenta 139.4
Fragmenta Dem.26.1
Fragmenta Hei.3.4
Hellanicus Hist.
Fragmenta 1a,4,F.157.2 SCHOL. A HOM. II. B 105
Lysias Orat.
Or1 16.4
Hippocrates Med. et Corp
De semine, de natura pueri, de morbis iv 7.8
De mulierum affectibus i-iii 34.1
Ctesias Hist. et Med.
Fragmenta 3c,688,F.1b.694
Theocritus Bucol.
Id 2.150
Id 6.26
Demosthenes Orat.
Or36 17.3
Or36 45.6
Or45 55.5
Or59 119.1
Or59 119.5
Bato Comic.
Fragmenta 3.1
Fragmenta And.2.1
Machon Comic.
Fragmenta 14.191
Aristophanes Gramm.
Fragmenta 12.3
Philo Judaeus Phil.
Sac 20.4
Abr 101.3
Diodorus Siculus Hist.
Bibliotheca historica 2.23.2.6
Bibliotheca historica 3.32.1.4
Bibliotheca historica 17.37.5.3
Strabo Geogr.
Geog 3.4.18.17
Nicolaus Hist.
003 12.22
003 111.1
Aristonicus Gramm.
De signis Iliadis 6.398.3
Dorotheus Astrol.
Fragmenta Graeca 394.12
Plutarchus Biogr. et Phil.
Alc 39.9.4
De sera numinis vindicta 563.C.5
Flavius Josephus Hist.
AJ 8.175.1
AJ 12.189.2
AJ 15.227.3
Epictetus Phil.
Dissertationes ab Arriano digestae
Dio Chrysostomus Soph.
Orationes 20.19.4
Teucer Astrol.
Fragmenta 7.212.11
Orphica
Lithica kerygmata 47.4
Comica Adespota (Suppl. Co
Adespota novae comoediae post 22,I.14
Argumenta metrica 339a.14
Historia Alexandri Magni
Recensio F 125.12.16
Recensio E 125.12.16
Apophthegmata
002 9.2
Laonicus Chalcocondyles
Historiae 1.62.9
Historiae 1.98.13
Pseudo-Sphrantzes Hist.
Chronicon 184.20
Chronicon 442.39
Chronicon 492.37
Anonymi In Aristotelis Catenae
Paraphrasis categoriarum 69.6
Scholia In Aeschinem
Scholia in Aeschinem 2.149.6
Scholia In Aratum
Scholia in Aratum 73.10
Scholia In Aristophanem
Scholia in equites sch eq.400a.14
Scholia in nubes sch nub.346.4
Scholia in aves sch av.1536.1
Scholia In Euripidem
Scholia in Euripidem sch Ph.806.7
Scholia in Euripidem sch Andr.713.2
Scholia in Euripidem sch Andr.938.4
Scholia in Euripidem Andr.938
Scholia In Homerum
Scholia in Iliadem 6.398a.2
Scholia in Iliadem 13.430-3.3
Scholia in Odysseam 3.400-401.1
017 2.105.3
017 2.683.3
017 3.75.16
Scholia In Lucianum
Scholia in Lucianum 77,14.1.6
Scholia In Pindarum
Scholia in Pindarum O 7.inscr b.15
Scholia in Pindarum P 11.40b.2
Scholia in Nemea et Isthmia N 11.99.4
Scholia In Sophoclem
Scholia in Sophoclem OT.914.3
Scholia in Sophoclis Oedipum tyrannum sch thom.261.10
Scholia In Theocritum
Scholia in Theocritum 6.26/27a.1
Scholia in Theocritum 6.26/27b.1
Pseudo-Heracliti Epistulae
Epistulae 7.4.5
Acta Philippi
Acta Philippi 124.3
Yours,
Jeffrey
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Jeffrey B. Gibson, D.Phil. (Oxon.)
1500 W. Pratt Blvd. #1
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