[B-Greek] [G-Greek] Luke 19:13

Remington186 at aol.com Remington186 at aol.com
Thu Sep 9 08:25:39 EDT 2004


Steven Lo Vullo slovullo at mac.com 
Wed Sep 8 21:17:36 EDT 2004 
Steven wrote,
On Sep 8, 2004, at 7:48 PM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
At 6:40 PM -0500 9/8/04, Steven Lo Vullo wrote:
>> On Sep 8, 2004, at 8:34 AM, Carl W. Conrad wrote:
>>> At 2:52 PM +0200 9/8/04, Wieland Willker wrote:
>>>> Luke 19:13 KALESAS DE DEKA DOULOUS EAUTOU EDWKEN AUTOIS DEKA MNAS >>>> 
KAI EIPEN PROS AUTOUS PRAGMATEUSASQE EN hW ERCOMAI. Some MSS read >>>>here the 
infinitive PRAGMATEUSASQAI, which makes it indirect speech, but is this >>>>
consistent with ERCOMAI?
>>> Wieland, I rather think that it is simply a matter of spelling--it's not 
really an aorist middle >>>infinitive; remember that AI and E were pronounced 
the same. This is a fairly common >>>orthographical "error" that I've found 
very, very common in my work in the Codex Bezae text >>>of GMk.
>> Carl, if we did have the infinitive in indirect speech here, would that 
require ERCOMAI to be >>third person (ERCETAI)? It seems to me it would, but I'm 
not totally sure.
>Yes, I think it probably would; to me that's the more reason to think that 
PRAGMATEUSASQAI  >is not an aorist infinitive but a "homonym" for 
PRAGMATEUSASQE.

Yes, that would certainly seem to lend weight to your suggestion. And it also 
answers Wieland's question about whether an infinitive in indirect speech 
here would be consistent with the first person ERCOMAI. I don't think it would.
Steven Lo Vullo
Madison, WI

Remington writes,
Gentlemen,
I didn't find any other strings on this.
The TR and M [supposedly the same] have here, rather than EV hOi ERCOMAI, EWS 
 ERCOMAI. Corresponding to Jerome, dum venio, written before or the same time 
as A and B and perhaps after A. Both Jerome and the TR can easily translate 
"until I am returning." Indicative present middle. It seems rather difficult to 
make of EN hOi, until. John 21:22 has this same prepositional phrase, EWS 
ERCOMAI, and here also I see no need to render it other than, "until I am 
returning." And Jerome has here the easily recognized, donec, until.
1 Tim 4:13 is the only other instance of EWS ERCOMAI and the sense is 
certainly, "Until I am returning…"

Very cordially,
Remington Mandel



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