[B-Greek] [G-Greek] Luke 19:13

Steven Lo Vullo slovullo at mac.com
Thu Sep 9 21:51:18 EDT 2004


On Sep 9, 2004, at 7:25 AM, Remington186 at aol.com wrote:

> The TR and M [supposedly the same] have here, rather than EV hOi 
> ERCOMAI, EWS
>  ERCOMAI. Corresponding to Jerome, dum venio, written before or the 
> same time
> as A and B and perhaps after A. Both Jerome and the TR can easily 
> translate
> "until I am returning." Indicative present middle. It seems rather 
> difficult to
> make of EN hOi, until. John 21:22 has this same prepositional phrase, 
> EWS
> ERCOMAI, and here also I see no need to render it other than, "until I 
> am
> returning." And Jerome has here the easily recognized, donec, until.
> 1 Tim 4:13 is the only other instance of EWS ERCOMAI and the sense is
> certainly, "Until I am returning…"

I think you have misunderstood Wieland's question. It had nothing to do 
with either a variant for EN hWi or the tense/aspect of ERCOMAI. It had 
to do with a variant of PRAGMATEUSASQE, namely PRAGMATEUSASQAI, which, 
because of its ending, Wieland took for an infinitive. When he asked if 
PRAGMATEUSASQAI (which he took as an infinitive) in indirect discourse 
was "consistent with ERCOMAI," he was wondering whether the PERSON of 
ERCOMAI (first person) was consistent with PRAGMATEUSASQAI in the 
indirect discourse we would have if indeed PRAGMATEUSASQAI is taken as 
an infinitive. From what I know about indirect discourse, ERCOMAI would 
normally have been used in the third person in this instance if indeed 
PRAGMATEUSASQAI is taken as an infinitive. Carl affirmed that. Carl 
also suggested that PRAGMATEUSASQAI was not an infinitive at all, but a 
spelling variation in which AI is equivalent to E. In other words, that 
PRAGMATEUSASQAI and PRAGMATEUSASQE are both imperatives and the 
discourse in both instances is direct. If this is indeed the case, the 
person of ERCOMAI (first person) is consistent in both cases.
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Steven Lo Vullo
Madison, WI



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