[B-Greek] Ignatius to Romans 1.1b

David Hindley dhindley at compuserve.com
Mon Dec 12 21:33:55 EST 2005


Carl,

As you suspected, Bibleworks has:

Ignatius to the Romans 1:1  "... dedemenos gar en Xristw Ihsou elpizw umas aspasasqai, eanper qelhma h tou aciwqhnai me eis telos
einai ..." 

I cannot find their source in the program's list of copyrights (probably the posthumous 1891 edition of Lightfoot's _Apostolic
Fathers_ edited by J. R. Harmer), but I also consulted the 1992 Lightfoot Harmer Holmes 2nd Edition of _Apostolic Fathers_, which
adopts readings from later, more modern editions, and it too has "aspasasqai."

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Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2005 11:37:26 -0500
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at ioa.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Ignatius to Romans 1.1b
To: Mitch Larramore <mitchlarramore at yahoo.com>
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On Dec 10, 2005, at 8:54 PM, Mitch Larramore wrote:

>
> DEDEMENOS GAR EN CRISTWi IHSOU ELPIZW hUMAS
> ASPASMENOS EANPER QELHMA Hi TOU AXIWQHNAI ME EIS TELOS
> EINAI
>
> It would appear that ASPASMENOS completes ELIPIZW, "I
> hope to greet you..." I could not find the participle
> functioning this way in Wallace. Wouldn't an
> infinitive be expected in the GNT? Does the Nom. Ptc
> function this way in the GNT?
>
> George, you might want to check the accents on
> ASPASMENOS at ccel. My Greek teacher has suggested I
> not learn the accents (he tells me to spend that time
> reading), but it looks awkward to me, even in light of
> EANPER. There are two accutes, one over the second A
> and one over the E, but EANPER also is fully accented,
> I think.

I'm frankly puzzled by this; yes, there are two acutes on ASPASMENOS,  
but in fact ASPASMENOS is not a recognizable form of the only verb  
that comes into question, ASPAZOMAI. A perfect participle should be  
HSPASMENOS, present ASPAZOMENOS, aorist ASPASAMENOS. But one expects  
ELPIZW to be followed by an infinitive such as ASPAZESQAI or  
ASPASASQAI.  Translations that I've looked at all offer "I hope to  
greet you" but that cannot be derived from the text as shown above,  
which does appear to be the CCEL Greek text.


Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
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