[B-Greek] simple test *AURION HLQON
Rolf Furuli
furuli at online.no
Tue Dec 13 09:35:02 EST 2005
Dear Ken,
Thank you for your information. Two years ago I translated 1 Enoch into
Norwegian, and I used the Ethiopic text as my basis. The Greek manuscripts
at my disposal used aorist, so it is interesting that other manuscripts have
Greek present. There are examples in the NT where aorist are used for events
that were not completed at speech time, but it is rare that aorist is used
for the future. To know the age and background of the Greek manuscripts of
Enoch 1:9 that use present and aorist respectively could perhaps throw some
light on the choice of verb in Jude 1:14.
Best regards,
Rolf
Rolf Furuli
University of Oslo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Penner" <pennerkm at mcmaster.ca>
To: "'Rolf Furuli'" <furuli at online.no>; <B-Greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] simple test *AURION HLQON
>A correction:
>
> Rolf stated:
>
>> Greek
>> manuscripts of Enoch 1:9 have aorist in this verse.
>
> The Greek manuscript of 1Enoch (there is only one extant:
> Gizeh/Panopolitanus/Akhmim) actually only has aorists in the infinitive
> and in the relative clauses of 1:9. The main clause has a present verb.
> See the critical edition of 1 Enoch in progress at
> http://www.uwo.ca/kings/ocp/1Enoch-frames.html
>
> OTI ERXETAI SUN TAIS MURIASIN AUTOU KAI TOIS AGIOIS AUTOU, POIHSAI KRISIN
> KATA PANTWN, KAI APOLESEI PANTAS TOUS ASEBEIS, KAI ELEGCEI PASAN SARKA
> PERI PANTWN ERGWN THS ASEBEIAS AUTWN WN HSEBHSAN KAI SKLHRWN WN ELALHSAN
> LOGWN, KAI PERI PANTWN WN KATELALHSAN KAT AUTOU AMARTWLOI ASEBEIS.
>
> ὅτι ἔρχεται σὺν ταῖς μυριάσιν αὐτοῦ καὶ τοῖς ἁγίοις αὐτοῦ, ποιῆσαι κρίσιν
> κατὰ πάντων, καὶ ἀπολέσει πάντας τοὺς ἀσεβεῖς, καὶ ἐλέγξει πᾶσαν σάρκα
> περὶ πάντων ἔργων τῆς ἀσεβείας αὐτῶν ὧν ἠσέβησαν καὶ σκληρῶν ὧν ἐλάλησαν
> λόγων, καὶ περὶ πάντων ὧν κατελάλησαν κατ᾽αὐτοῦ ἁμαρτωλοὶ ἀσεβεῖς.
>
> Jude does have an aorist HLQEN here instead of ERXETAI. The Aramaic 4Q204
> does not have the main verbs. Cyprian has venit; Vigilius has veniet.
>
> Ken Penner
>
> Co-Director, Online Critical Pseudepigrapha: http://www.uwo.ca/kings/ocp/
> Flash! Pro vocabulary software: http://s91279732.onlinehome.us/flash
>
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