[B-Greek] RE: BDAG font (James Ernest)
Byron Silvera
bsilvera at umd.edu
Mon Feb 7 12:02:53 EST 2005
BDAG font for Greek text is Bwgrkl (Bibleworks Greek)
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2. Begotten (bertdehaan at sympatico.ca)
3. Re: Begotten (Jeffrey B. Gibson)
4. Re: Begotten (WmHBoyd at aol.com)
5. Re: Comparing Unicode fonts (Stephen C. Carlson)
6. John 8:58 as translation Greek (MAKARIOIOIPRAEIS at aol.com)
7. John 8:58 as translation Greek (MAKARIOIOIPRAEIS at aol.com)
8. RE: Comparing Unicode fonts (Wieland Willker)
9. Re: Comparing Unicode fonts (George F Somsel)
10. Re: Begotten (Carl W. Conrad)
11. Re: Comparing Unicode fonts (Carl W. Conrad)
12. RE: Comparing Unicode fonts (James Ernest)
13. Re: Comparing Unicode fonts (Jim West)
14. Re: BDAG font (George F Somsel)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:22:53 -0500
From: "James Ernest" <jdemail at charter.net>
Subject: [B-Greek] BDAG font
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Can anyone identify for me the boldface Greek font used in BDAG?
James
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James D. Ernest, Ph.D., Editor
Baker Academic
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 19:42:43 -0500
From: <bertdehaan at sympatico.ca>
Subject: [B-Greek] Begotten
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"T HILL" <terry_sda at blueyonder.co.uk>
on 2005/02/04 Fri AM 04:06:43 EST
Hi everyone
My name is Terry and I live in England. I have just joined this list hoping
that you can help me.
I know that the word 'begotten' as translated from the Greek 'monogenes' has
been probably discussed on this list many, many times but I would like to
ask a
question about it.
Some (modern scholars it seems) say that 'monogenes' simply means 'unique'
or
'one and only'. Now I have just read that the Greeks had (and still have) a
specific word that means 'unique' or 'one and only' which is 'monadikos'
(which
i do not doubt). This article also said that it was used by such as Philo
and
Aristotle meaning that this word was available to the John the gospel writer
who was the only Bible writer to apply 'monogenes' to Christ.
I am seeking confirmation of this and would appreciate any help that anyone
can
give me. At the moment I am writing a paper on 'begotten' but am 'stuck' as
far
as this is concerned. What I would really like is a specific reference to
any
Greek writings (that I can quote) that actually used this word before the
New
Testament was written although any help, whatever it is would really be
greatly
appreciated.
Thanks in advance for any replies.
Terry
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If you check out LSJ on Perseus, you'll find several references, some of
which are under the definition "unique" and "only".
I don't have access to the references but maybe you do.
I have a Modern Greek dictionary and I find it interesting that the only
gloss it gives is "one and only".
Bert de Haan.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 19:00:43 -0600
From: "Jeffrey B. Gibson" <jgibson000 at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Begotten
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bertdehaan at sympatico.ca wrote:
If you check out LSJ on Perseus, you'll find several references, some of
which are under the definition "unique" and "only".
Here are the references:
mono-gen?s , es, Ep. and Ion. mouno- , ( [genos] )
A. the only member of a kin or kind: hence, generally, only, single, pais
Hes.Op.376 , Hdt.7.221,
cf. Ev.Jo.1.14, Ant.Lib.32.1; of Hecate, Hes. Th.426.
2. unique, of to on, Parm. 8.4; heis hode m. ouranos gegon?s Pl.Ti.31b
, cf. Procl.Inst.22; theos ho m.
Sammelb.4324.15 .
3. m. haima one and the same blood, dub. l. in E. Hel.1685.
4. Gramm., having one form for all genders, A.D.Adv. 145.18.
5. name of the foot___^, Heph.3.3.
Jeffrey
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2005 22:52:31 EST
From: WmHBoyd at aol.com
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Begotten
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I have heard it said that "-genes" could not mean begotten, but it seems to
mean begotten in 2 Timothy 1:15 - "Hermogenes" ie: begotten of Mercury. I
have
often wondered if there are other words with "-genes" in them that would
help
me understand the scope of this partical.
William (the Barbarian) Boyd
Greensboro, NC
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:30:26 -0500
From: "Stephen C. Carlson" <scarlson at mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Comparing Unicode fonts
To: "Wieland Willker" <willker at chemie.uni-bremen.de>, "B-Greek"
<b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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At 03:31 PM 2/4/2005 +0100, Wieland Willker wrote:
>After comparing the (freely) available Unicode fonts I have put together
>a PDF page with the 6 fonts I personally found interesting. Have a look
>at:
>http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Unicode-fonts.pdf
>
>The first three are the "normal" ones. Gentium and Minion look very
>similar. Note that Gentium Alt has the advantage of using the lunate
>circumflex. Palatino is more wide, better for fast reading.
That's great. Thanks.
Does anyone know of a Unicode Greek uncial font?
Stephen Carlson
--
Stephen C. Carlson mailto:scarlson at mindspring.com
Weblog: http://www.mindspring.com/~scarlson/hypotyposeis/blogger.html
"Poetry speaks of aspirations, and songs chant the words." Shujing 2.35
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:19:50 EST
From: MAKARIOIOIPRAEIS at aol.com
Subject: [B-Greek] John 8:58 as translation Greek
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It should have been obvious that the example from John 9:9 was not intented
to have any divine theological connection to the EGW EIMI of John 8:58. It
was
soley an illustration for the argument that when a sentence structure in
which
the copulative verb is used without an object or complement it is then
"absolute" and to be understood in the simple present tense.
Richard Windisch
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 01:46:02 EST
From: MAKARIOIOIPRAEIS at aol.com
Subject: [B-Greek] John 8:58 as translation Greek
To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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It should have been obvious that the example from John 9:9 was not intented
to have any divine theological connection to the EGW EIMI of John 8:58. It
was
soley an illustration for the argument that when a sentence structure in
which
the copulative verb is used without an object or complement it is then
"absolute" and to be understood in the simple present tense.
Richard Windisch
"...2- While EGW EIMI may translate the Hebrew of ANI HU' in Isaiah, it is
theology, not grammar, that connects this with the EGW EIMI of John 8:58.
I
would remark only that for obvious reasons such a theological connection is
not
made with the EGW EIMI ("I am") of John 9:9, or even with the similar EIMI
hO
EIMI ("I am what/who I am") of 1 Corinthians 15:10.
In other words, not all [EGW] EIMI's are expressions of divinity. And
grammatical constructs cannot decide where or when they are such."
Solomon
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 09:28:14 +0100
From: "Wieland Willker" <willker at chemie.uni-bremen.de>
Subject: [B-Greek] RE: Comparing Unicode fonts
To: "B-Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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> Does anyone know of a Unicode Greek uncial font?
There is probably none.
And it would probably be just wasting time to create one. The advantage
of Unicode is that documents can be shared with others even when they
don't have exactly the same font. But when you are using an Uncial font,
your partner MUST have exactly this font otherwise the information about
the Uncial is lost. So you can equally well use one of the existing
Uncial fonts. JMHO.
Here I see one other problem of Unicode. When the text is formatted in a
way that distances play a role, e.g. when working with Tabs etc. lines
can break differently, especially when you are using e.g. the wide
Palatino.
So, when you have complex documents, it will remain that you have to
have the same fonts.
Best wishes
Wieland
<><
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Wieland Willker, Bremen, Germany
mailto:willker at chemie.uni-bremen.de
http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/
Textcritical commentary:
http://www.uni-bremen.de/~wie/TCG/index.html
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 04:55:56 -0500
From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Comparing Unicode fonts
To: scarlson at mindspring.com
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org, willker at chemie.uni-bremen.de
Message-ID: <20050205.045556.-453783.0.gfsomsel at juno.com>
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:30:26 -0500 "Stephen C. Carlson"
<scarlson at mindspring.com> writes:
> At 03:31 PM 2/4/2005 +0100, Wieland Willker wrote:
> >After comparing the (freely) available Unicode fonts I have put
> together
> >a PDF page with the 6 fonts I personally found interesting. Have a
> look
> >at:
> >http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Unicode-fonts.pdf
> >
> >The first three are the "normal" ones. Gentium and Minion look
> very
> >similar. Note that Gentium Alt has the advantage of using the
> lunate
> >circumflex. Palatino is more wide, better for fast reading.
>
> That's great. Thanks.
>
> Does anyone know of a Unicode Greek uncial font?
>
> Stephen Carlson
>
> --
> Stephen C. Carlson
> mailto:scarlson at mindspring.com
> Weblog:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~scarlson/hypotyposeis/blogger.html
> "Poetry speaks of aspirations, and songs chant the words." Shujing
> 2.35
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Stephen,
See if this is what you want. It doesn't support accents and breathings.
george
gfsomsel
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:18:30 -0500
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Begotten
To: WmHBoyd at aol.com
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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At 10:52 PM -0500 2/4/05, WmHBoyd at aol.com wrote:
>I have heard it said that "-genes" could not mean begotten, but it seems to
>mean begotten in 2 Timothy 1:15 - "Hermogenes" ie: begotten of Mercury. I
>have
>often wondered if there are other words with "-genes" in them that would
help
>me understand the scope of this partical.
This is different in that it's a proper name of the sort called
"theophoric" and the element -GEN- is associated with the proper noun that
is the name of a god. This root GEN/GON/GN that appears in the verbs
GI(G)NOMAI, GENNAW, in such nouns as GONEUS (parent), GENEA (kindred),
GENOS (kind, kin), GENESIS (birth, generation), and the adjectival root
GENES-, all are associated with birth, generation and relationship through
birth or generation; English "kin" and "kindred" and German Kind (child)
are unquestionable cognates of the IE root seen in those Greek words. With
respect to the adjective MONOGENHS, I don't think it's so much that the
word CANNOT bear the sense "only-child" but that the actual usage attested
in the literature is "only-one-of-its-kind."
--
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:24:03 -0500
From: "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Comparing Unicode fonts
To: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at juno.com>
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org, willker at chemie.uni-bremen.de
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At 4:55 AM -0500 2/5/05, George F Somsel wrote:
>On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 23:30:26 -0500 "Stephen C. Carlson"
><scarlson at mindspring.com> writes:
>> Does anyone know of a Unicode Greek uncial font?
>_____________________
>
>Stephen,
>
>See if this is what you want. It doesn't support accents and breathings.
Does "this" in the above message have some referent?
--
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
1989 Grindstaff Road/Burnsville, NC 28714/(828) 675-4243
cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu
WWW: http://www.ioa.com/~cwconrad/
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 06:31:56 -0500
From: "James Ernest" <jdemail at charter.net>
Subject: RE: [B-Greek] Comparing Unicode fonts
To: "'B-Greek'" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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Maybe GR Uncial, http://www.travelphrases.info/gallery/Fonts_Greek3.html?
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James D. Ernest, Ph.D., Editor
Baker Academic
jernest at BakerAcademic.com
http://www.BakerAcademic.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf Of
> Stephen C. Carlson
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:30 PM
> To: Wieland Willker; B-Greek
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Comparing Unicode fonts
>
>
> At 03:31 PM 2/4/2005 +0100, Wieland Willker wrote:
> >After comparing the (freely) available Unicode fonts I have put
> >together a PDF page with the 6 fonts I personally found interesting.
> >Have a look
> >at:
> >http://www-user.uni-bremen.de/~wie/Unicode-fonts.pdf
> >
> >The first three are the "normal" ones. Gentium and Minion look very
> >similar. Note that Gentium Alt has the advantage of using the lunate
> >circumflex. Palatino is more wide, better for fast reading.
>
> That's great. Thanks.
>
> Does anyone know of a Unicode Greek uncial font?
>
> Stephen Carlson
>
> --
> Stephen C. Carlson
> mailto:scarlson at mindspring.com
> Weblog:
> http://www.mindspring.com/~scarlson/hypotyposeis/blogger.html
> "Poetry speaks of aspirations, and songs chant the words."
> Shujing 2.35
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2005 08:00:19 -0500
From: Jim West <jwest at highland.net>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Comparing Unicode fonts
To: Stephen C Carlson <scarlson at mindspring.com>,
b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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Stephen,
on my blog down towards the bottom of the right panel is a little bit -
"Unicode on this Blog". Following that link will take you to a site
which has step by step instructions for using unicode and both hebrew
and Greek fonts.
Best
Jim
Stephen C Carlson wrote:
>That's great. Thanks.
>
>Does anyone know of a Unicode Greek uncial font?
>
>Stephen Carlson
>
--
Jim West, ThD
Quodlibetarius
Biblical Studies Resources - http://web.infoave.net/~jwest
Biblical Theology Weblog - http://biblical-studies.blogspot.com
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Message: 14
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2005 11:52:20 -0500
From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] BDAG font
To: jdemail at charter.net
Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
Message-ID: <20050205.115221.-489585.5.gfsomsel at juno.com>
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005 18:22:53 -0500 "James Ernest" <jdemail at charter.net>
writes:
> Can anyone identify for me the boldface Greek font used in BDAG?
>
> James
>
> --------------------------------
> James D. Ernest, Ph.D., Editor
> Baker Academic
> jernest at BakerAcademic.com
> http://www.BakerAcademic.com
> --------------------------------
You might contact the publisher's Marketing Department whose web address
appears on the inside back flap of the dust jacket.
www.press.uchicago.edu
george
gfsomsel
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