[B-Greek] 1 Peter 1:15"

Eddie Mishoe edmishoe at yahoo.com
Sat Jan 1 11:24:38 EST 2005


Dr. Conrad:

I think your two examples support more so the
condition that with impersonal subjects (like the two
Charles has given) they BECOME something, rather than
DO something, or ACT in some way. In your examples,
others are acting, not the subjects.

The wine becomes ruined, and the stones become bread,
but notice in the example it was suggested that JESUS
convert the stone to bread, not the stone to convert
itself. Right?

Eddie Mishoe
 
--- "Carl W. Conrad" <cwconrad at artsci.wustl.edu>
wrote:

> At 6:27 AM -0800 1/1/05, Mitch Larramore wrote:
> >Charles:
> >
> >I am no expert, but something tells me you have
> >misunderstood the full definition of Middle Voice.
> >Your English gloss is overly simplistic and
> >restrictive (for example, what about the Causative
> >Middle?) and it does not take into consideration an
> >impersonal subject. I note that your only two
> examples
> >use impersonal subjects (table, homestead). But I'm
> >excited they are because it makes for a good
> question
> >for the scholars out here. 
> >
> >Does the Middle Voice function differently when the
> >subject is impersonal?
> 
> No. Here are a couple of examples:
> 
> Mk 2:22 nobody puts new wine into old skins; EI DE
> MH, hRHXEI hO; OINOS TOUS
> ASKOUS KAI hO OINOS APOLLUTAI KAI hOI ASKOI ...
>            ------------------
> "the wine goes to waste"
> 
> Lk 4:3 The slanderer said to him, if you are the Son
> of God, EIPE TWi LIQWi
> TOUTWi hINA GENHTAI ARTOS
>        ------------------
> 
> " ... tell this stone to turn into a loaf of bread."
> 



		
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