[B-Greek] 1 Peter 1:15"

Eddie Mishoe edmishoe at yahoo.com
Sun Jan 2 09:26:29 EST 2005


Dr. Conrad:

> Eddie Mishoe wrote:

> 
> "I think your two examples support more so the
> condition that with impersonal subjects (like the
> two
> Charles has given) they BECOME something, rather
> than
> DO something, or ACT in some way. In your examples,
> others are acting, not the subjects.
> 
> "The wine becomes ruined, and the stones become
> bread,
> but notice in the example it was suggested that
> JESUS
> convert the stone to bread, not the stone to convert
> itself. Right?"

You wrote:

> 
> What I think needs to be understood is that, when a
> middle-passive morphoparadigm is used, whether it's
> technically speaking middle or passive (i.e. -QH-),
> the focus is upon what the subject undergoes or
> experiences,
> NOT upon the agent. Satan tells Jesus not to turn
> the stone
> into a loaf of bread but to COMMAND the stone to
> turn into
> a loaf of bread. Unless we have a hUPO + genitive
> construction
> (or some other indication of agent or instrument)
> the verb
> doesn't really tell us anything about how or why the
> subject
> undergoes the process or alteration; rather the verb
> form
> indicates the focus is on what the subject is
> experiencing
> or undergoing. 

Yes, I am in agreement here. What I am also pointing
out is that with impersonal subjects (the only kind
Charles can seem to find) there may be NO explicit or
implicit agent, whereas with personal subjects, the
subjects/agents themselves can actually perform the
action in question, something impersonal subjects are
incapable of doing by definition. (I actually doubt
your take of Satan requesting Jesus to command the
stones to "change themselves into bread." However, I
am fully aware of the concept that Jesus could command
rocks to cry out, but I more so think that is intended
as a hyperbole.)




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Eddie Mishoe
Pastor


		
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