[B-Greek] Re: Romans 6:3 -batptized in Jesus Christ, word order
Darrell Smith
Darrell.H.Smith at sceptreofjudah.org
Sun Jan 2 14:23:33 EST 2005
It is often understood that Christ Jesus refers to communication or
direction of action from God to Man. While Jesus Christ represents from
man to God. In either case, Jesus is the intermediary between the two.
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>Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 12:00:20 -0500
>From: Jim West <jwest at highland.net>
>Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Romans 6:3 - baptized into Jesus Christ, word
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>To: Schmuel <schmuel at escape.com>
>Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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>At 11:40 AM 1/1/2005, you wrote:
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>>Romans 6:3
>>Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were
>>baptized into his death?
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>> Yet that leads to the question of why the Greek has the "Christ
>>Jesus" order, is there a difference in the way the languages "think"
>>about such issues as names ?
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>Its not really so much that as that here the practice of the Church has
>influenced the translation of the text, pure and simple. it is not for
>grammatical, textual, or exegetical reasons at all.
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>Think, for instance, of the two exemplars of the Lord's Prayer- from
>Matthew and Luke. The only one I've ever heard prayed in a congregation is
>Matthew's edition. Because this practice of the church is so established,
>people tend to ignore Luke completely or harmonize by adding words to Luke
>(as some of those Byzantine scribes clearly did).
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>So, for baptism, one will ever scarcely hear a priest or cleric say "I
>baptize you in the name of Christ Jesus" but you will constantly hear "I
>baptize you in the name of Jesus Christ". Hence, translators, not immune
>to custom, customarily render accordingly.
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>Best
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>Jim
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