[B-Greek] 1 Peter 1:15

George F Somsel gfsomsel at juno.com
Mon Jan 3 10:55:18 EST 2005


On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 08:43:20 EST Timrake at aol.com writes:
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> In a message dated 1/3/05 1:36:23 PM, gfsomsel at juno.com writes:
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> On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 Charles D. Rempel wrote:
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> << > Titus 3:7 so that being justified by His grace we would be made 
heirs according to the hope of eternal life.  GENHQOMEN - aorist passive
subjunctive 1p I would suggest, in response to a previous comment, that
the subject here is  very “personal” and this appears to be the most
obviously passive so far.
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> > Unless someone questions it, I will leave this one without further
comment.
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> Charles D. Rempel
> 30 year student
> Without Portfolio
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> >?Question.  So now what do you have to say?  I think that rather than
"be made" this is simply "become."
> 
 >george
 >gfsomsel >>
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> But, George, the mere change of wording does not avoid the basic
semantic thought or sense here, namely, that the subject is caused to
become this. Yes, the subject is "being" or undergoing a state of being.
("I became/was made a captain." The subject performs the action and does
the "being.") But statives rely heavily on context and here, as in my
example, the state of being is not brought about by the subject but by
the action of another.   
> 
> Strictly, a passive is when the subject is being acted upon. Where the
verb represents something being done to the subject, something he
suffers, or experiences. And while strictly the subject here, in respect
to the  verb per se, is performing the action -- he is "being" this (or
"becoming")  and not another -- the sense is not the exactly the same as
what is properly denoted  by the active voice since the subject's state
of being is induced or effected by another.
> 
> Grammatically, the subject is performing the action of the verb -- no
one  else is being made or becoming an heir. But semantically, I think
something of Charles' point must also be recognized. And this may be
unique to stative verbs, especially this one and EIMI.
> 
> Pr. Tim Rake
> Praise Lutheran Church
> Maryville, TN
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I think this passage has previously been mentioned.  Lk 4.3

EIPEN DE AUTWi hO DIABOLOS, EI hUIOS  EI TOU QEOU, EIPE TWi LIQWi TOUTWi
hINA GENHTAI ARTOS

What is the difference?

george
gfsomsel
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