[B-Greek] 1 Peter 1:15

Charles Rempel CharlesR at mygalaxyexpress.com
Thu Jan 6 06:48:37 EST 2005


EM: Both you and Dr. West insist upon some "acts upon itself" understanding
of the Middle Voice.

CDR: Eddie, you're not reading my responses. I in no way insist on the "acts
upon itself" middle voice. It is easy to see that the middle voice is
closely related to the active because in both voices the subject is doing
the "action" of the verb. In the passive voice the "action" is being done to
the subject by an outside source.

EM: When you observed that that Active and Middle are very close
semantically, I thought your next statement would be EUREKA.

CDR: I read ATR almost 30 years ago. Most of the grammars I've read, I read
over 20 years ago. One hardly exclaims EUREAKA on information that has dust
on the bookshelves and cobwebs in the brain! This is not new information for
me.

Also, I am not discussing the middle voice, but rather the passive because I
found the passive voice of I Peter 1:15 to be very fascinating. Dr. Conrad
suggested that it is really a "middle" and not a passive and I proposed an
examination of all the passive voices.

Now, it appears to me that you take the position that the deponent verbs,
and I quote the beginning grammar of Goetechius, "have no active forms, but
have middle or passive forms ..." If I am wrong in this assumption please
correct me. However, he goes on to acknowledge the some deponent verbs are
only partly deponent.

A.T. Robertson, whose tome, I would suggest, is not beginner in any stretch
of imagination, says "The So-called 'Deponent' Verbs. ... Moulton is
certainly right in saying that the term should be applied to all three
voices if to any. The truth is that it should not be used at all. ... As
concerns voice these verbs were defective rather than deponent."

As pointed out in my posting on Romans 11 GINOMAI occurs in all three
voices.

11:1 GENOITO aorist middle optative
11:5 GEGONEN perfect active indicative
11:6 GINETAI present middle indicative
11:9 GENHQHTO aorist passive imperative
11:11 GENOITO aorist middle optative
11:17 EGENOU aorist middle indicate
11:25 GEGONEN perfect active indicative
11:34 EGENOU aorist middle indicate

Personally, I think I'll stick with ATR.

Charles D. Rempel
30 year student
Without Portfolio




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