[B-Greek] 1 Peter 1:15
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Tue Jan 11 14:24:55 EST 2005
@Steve:
> But when we look at the clause in MPoly 7.1, which is practically
> identical to that of Mt 26.42 except that we have a middle form of
> GINOMAI rather than passive, we quickly see that (a) there is no
> necessity whatsoever to take a middle form of GINOMAI in a prayer like
> this as reflexive and (b) the middle in a prayer like this is perfectly
> natural to a speaker of Koine. This totally destroys the contention
> that understanding GENHQHTW in Mt 26.42 as middle somehow cannot make
> good sense. The middle certainly made good sense to the author of
> MPoly.
Response: Wow, my first mistake was that I did not see the comparision you were making. I thought those were different arguements, but now that I see the comparision that is tough to answer.
But I wonder (this comment comes as one who has not looked at this in depth) if what you are talking about is a result of change in the language. Meaning, that maybe as time went on the passive/middle forms sort of overlapped a little bit. But this occurance happened after the canon was closed or maybe during the later NT books? I am being hypothetical here.
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> I'm probably not the best person to ask about this. But I think Carl
> Conrad and others on the list would say that -QH form verbs should NOT
> be considered passive, but middle/passive, like middle/passives in the
> present tense. In other words, a -QH form verb may be either middle or
> passive. Though originally resistant to Carl's views on this issue, I
> have come over the months to see some merit in what he is saying. But I
> have not as yet been able to fully embrace his views.
Response: That is very interesting indeed, that would be the safe way to play it. You simply let context decided whether or not it is middle or passive.
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