[B-Greek] 1 Peter 1:15

kgraham0938 at comcast.net kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Tue Jan 11 14:24:55 EST 2005


@Steve:

> But when we look at the clause in MPoly 7.1, which is practically 
> identical to that of Mt 26.42 except that we have a middle form of 
> GINOMAI rather than passive, we quickly see that (a) there is no 
> necessity whatsoever to take a middle form of GINOMAI in a prayer like 
> this as reflexive and (b) the middle in a prayer like this is perfectly 
> natural to a speaker of Koine. This totally destroys the contention 
> that understanding GENHQHTW in Mt 26.42 as middle somehow cannot make 
> good sense. The middle certainly made good sense to the author of 
> MPoly.

Response: Wow, my first mistake was that I did not see the comparision you were making.  I thought those were different arguements, but now that I see the comparision that is tough to answer.

But I wonder (this comment comes as one who has not looked at this in depth) if what you are talking about is a result of change in the language.  Meaning, that maybe as time went on the passive/middle forms sort of overlapped a little bit.  But this occurance happened after the canon was closed or maybe during the later NT books?  I am being hypothetical here.
> 
> I'm probably not the best person to ask about this. But I think Carl 
> Conrad and others on the list would say that -QH form verbs should NOT 
> be considered passive, but middle/passive, like middle/passives in the 
> present tense. In other words, a -QH form verb may be either middle or 
> passive. Though originally resistant to Carl's views on this issue, I 
> have come over the months to see some merit in what he is saying. But I 
> have not as yet been able to fully embrace his views.

Response:  That is very interesting indeed, that would be the safe way to play it.   You simply let context decided whether or not it is middle or passive.


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