[B-Greek] "eis" Acts 2:38

Charles Rempel CharlesR at mygalaxyexpress.com
Tue Jan 11 16:38:28 EST 2005


Jerry,

As I cautioned earlier the problem with this passage is not the prepostion,
but the misidentification of BAPTISQHTW. I would suggest that when the
baptism is correctly identified, forgiveness of sin is entered into and the
Greek text is correct. I have identified eleven distinctive baptisms in the
NT. When the correct one is identifed the grammar and the theology merge
nicely.

Charles D. Rempel
30 year student
Without Portfolio

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Subject: [B-Greek] "eis" Acts 2:38


In asking the question: " is eis used retrospectively anywhere in the New
Testament?" I acknowledge the wisdom in looking at  "eis" is "a view
towards" something.  Am I faulty in my thinking in taking the step that
baptism is looking towards the remission of sins when meeting the conditions
of repentance and baptism, but when accusing one  who sees "eis" as a view
towards the remission of sins and therefore according to the Greek
fulfilling the meaning of the Greek preposition "eis" as not being accurate
with the Greek because they view the forgiveness of sins as having already
occurred?

In other words,  when I stress that "eis" is not used in the New Testament
"retrospectively" as looking backwards,  but looking towards something, and
go to Acts 2:38 and Matt. 26:28 and point out the actions of Jesus shedding
his blood, and repenting and being baptized as having the common
purpose:"eis aphesian ton hamartion", does my point not prove my conclusion
because "eis" is having a view towards something but that something- the
forgiveness of sins has already occurred, or in one's view lies entirely on
a different basis  not connected with repentance and baptism?

Dr. Conrad  warns of the direction of this discussion :
While I
won't
say the discussion is being driven by an agenda, it seems to me that
it's
being prolonged for reasons that may go beyond what the Greek text
actually
says.

I appreciate the warning, I too do  not want to go beyond what the Greek
text actually says.  I am trying to sharpen my thinking, trying to
understand why one would look at the Greek and come to a different
conclusion than mine, and understand where others who do not agree with are
coming from in their thinking.

The discussion has been helpful to me in all of these areas.

Sincerely,
Jerry Fite


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