[B-Greek] Col. 1:5
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Thu Jan 27 21:45:27 EST 2005
@Ron: You wrote...
I do not like EXETE for two reasons: First, EXETE is very doubtful textually
(unfortunately P46 is missing 1:4); Second, faith and love are equal objects
of AKOUW. [In any case, it is clearly adverbial, not adjectival.]
Even so, faith has a verb implied so it is parallel to EXETE, so the diagram
below, while possible, is not likely because of these parallel verbs and the
context (why would love for saints bring hope and faith in Jesus not bring
hope).
Leave off all of verse 3 except the first word, and leave out all of verse 4
and you have "I give thanks because of..." This still seems to make the
most sense overall.
Kelton: I did not realize that EXETE was difficult contextually, my apparatus does not list any problems with it. So I assumed it was ok.
Faith and love being equal objects of AKOUW is not a problem for me because I think that HN the relative clause is linked to THN AGAPHN, I am going to attempt to diagram this, excuse my lines. I can't make a straight line. By the way I agree that is adverbial, I just think it modifes EXETE, otherwise I can't see what you do with the relative clause. This first drawing is a compound object, I hope it is clear.
THN PISTIN
` ---------------------
AKOUSAVTES / ` KAI / hUMWN
---------------------- _________
` /
` EN/XPISTOS IESOUS
__________________
` THN AGAPHN ( notice this is accusative)
/
/
/
(X )/ EXETE/ HN The relative clause links to AGAPHN, because this also acc
/ EIS/ TOUS AGIOS
/-------------------------
/ DIA/ THN/ ELPIDA
-------------------------
So I think the compound accusatives fit within the diagram that I have.
And I would translate it, since we heard of your faith and love in Christ Jesus which you have for all saints because of the hope laid up....
They posses love for the saints because of the hope laid up for them in heaven.
--
Kelton Graham
KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
> I do not like EXETE for two reasons: First, EXETE is very doubtful textually
> (unfortunately P46 is missing 1:4); Second, faith and love are equal objects
> of AKOUW. [In any case, it is clearly adverbial, not adjectival.]
> Even so, faith has a verb implied so it is parallel to EXETE, so the diagram
> below, while possible, is not likely because of these parallel verbs and the
> context (why would love for saints bring hope and faith in Jesus not bring
> hope).
> Leave off all of verse 3 except the first word, and leave out all of verse 4
> and you have "I give thanks because of..." This still seems to make the
> most sense overall.
>
> Ron Minton
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kgraham0938 at comcast.net [mailto:kgraham0938 at comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 8:52 AM
> To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
> Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Col. 1:5
>
> Prepositions that take the accusative and dative case objects function
> adverbially, the ones which take the genitive function as adjectives. A mini
> diagram would look like this. DIA is modifying EXETE
>
> x / EXETE/ HN
> / EIS / TOUS AGIOUS
> /----------------------------------
> / /PANTAS
> / ----------------
> / DIA/ THN EPIDA
> ----------------------
> Kelton Graham
> KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
>
>
> > ><Ron>
> > >Should the DIA clause in Col. 1:5 be taken with love
> > (nearest possible referent), faith and love (near
> > referent), or Paul's thanks in 1:3? I tend to favor
> > the last because the leading verb to give thanks seems
> > to work if I remove all the words between. But what
> > say ye?
> >
> > <doug>
> > should we assume that it is adjectival rather than
> > adverbial? why could it not modify ECETE? i think
> > that's what i favor personally. it makes the best
> > sense at my first look.
> >
> > Doug Hoxworth
> > Luther Rice Seminary
> >
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