[B-Greek] Re: Rom 8:17
Dr. Dale M. Wheeler
dalemw at multnomah.edu
Mon Jun 6 10:46:51 EDT 2005
Nicholas Plant wrote:
>EI DE TEKNA KAI KLHRONOMOI KLHRONOMOI MEN QEOU SUGKLHRONOMOI DE CRISTOU
>
>Here, the construct KLHRONOMOI MEN QEOU is, for all intents and purposes,
>identical to SUG-KLHRONOMOI DE CRISTO. Noun + particle + genetive, virtually
>being- to my albeit perhaps undiscerning eye- the same construct with simply
>an exchange of words.
>
>The first clause is almost always translated "heirs of God" given the direct
>sense with the particle "heirs, on the one hand, of God". So, the genetive
>is being translated as "of X" which I expect.
>
>But the second clause is almost always translated "co-heirs with Christ"
>given the same sense "co-heirs, on the other hand, with Christ" with the
>particle. Then, the genetive is being translated as "with X" which I do not
>expect.
>
>Given the "men...de" clause, it seems to me to say "these are the same
>constructs which are being contrasted" and I cannot understand why the
>second genetive is being translated as "with" and not as "of" as it is in
>the first instance.
>
>Why is this? What is it in this construct that is causing the majority of
>translators to translate the genetives differently? What am I missing?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Nicholas Plant
Genitives after verbal nouns which have the prepositional prefix SUN- are
normally Genitive of Association, i.e, the action implied in the verbal
noun is done in conjunction with the (normally) personal noun in the
genitive; eg., Eph 2:19. This also happens with verbal noun which
lexically mean "to associate, to participate with, to share with" (eg.,
KOINWNOS, Matt 23:30).
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