[B-Greek] Follow up to Oppiso

Richard Richmond rickr2889 at yahoo.com
Mon Jun 20 18:55:08 EDT 2005



I think you are giving too much theological
significance to the adv OPISW.  If you note Mk 8.33 //
Mt 16.23
 
hO DE STRAFEIS EIPEN TWi PETRWi, hUPAGE OPISW MOU,
SATANA; SKANDALON EI EMOU.
 
I think you must agree that it does not carry the
concept of suffering.
 
george
gfsomsel


Reponse

As presented in my first post, in Mark there is the
contrast of the call response from Andrew and Peter vs
that of James and John where OPISW is used to describe
the reponse of the sons of Zebedee. Matthew does not
copy OPISW as he presents the response of the Zebedees
as does Mark
  
The repsonse in Mark's narrative favors the notion
that James and John followed more correctly in
discipleship than did Peter. The tradition of Matthew
is much kinder to Peter than the first Gopsel. Mark
implies that Peter is the Rock like soil, that does
not produce fruit while Matthew wants to say that
Peter is the Rock upon which Christ wished to build
the church. OPISW is clearly loaded with symbolism in
the Gospel of Mark. John predicted that a stronger
would come OPISW him. Jesus followed in John's
footsteps then makes OPISW the descriptive of how
everyone who wants ot be a disciple should relate to
him (Jesus).  How can you say that OPISW does not
imply suffering when suffering is the entire thrust of
the pericope that is formed around this Greek Adverb? 

The subject of the entire saying is  EI TIS QELEI
OPISW MOU I think it is difficult to make to much of
the key word in this saying, a saying that puts a
premium on suffering and martyrdom. The thrust of the
saying is that it takes Peter's rejection of the
thought of Jesus suffering and makes suffering the
goal of anyone who wishes to follow Jesus. I am not
saying that this is theologically sound only that it
is Mark's key point.


The two times Jesus uses OPISW with respect to Peter
it s acompanied by an imparetive. Mark's character,
Peter, ovioulsy wants to be in the front making
decisions as in Mark 1:36 And Simon and those who were
with him pursued him, 37 and they found him and said
to him, "Every one is searching for you."


DEUTE OPISW MOU in 1:17 an exciting invitation is
replaced in 8:33 by hUPAGE OPISW MOU SATANA and
intensive imperative followed by derrogatory epithet
that amounts to a curse. Instead of allowing Jesus to
make him a fisher of men Peter has become SATAN
according to the text of Mark. And all because he
rejects the concept of suffering.

George we are going to have to just disagree on the
implications of OPISW in Mark. Thank you for your
commments.

Rick Richmond 


Rick Richmond rickr2889 at yahoo.com


		
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