[B-Greek] help

Silas sml10 at uol.com.br
Fri Jun 24 12:18:58 EDT 2005


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  Today's Topics:

     1. my AREIOS POTHR arrived
        (Evans, Mark A [Act 1 Contractor for Sprint])
     2. Received Text Greek study (brian alford)
     3. wife woman etc (Beth Piepenburg)
     4. Re: Parallel Greek-English Bibles (Not Interlinear) (Schmuel)
     5. Re: wife woman etc (George F Somsel)
     6. Re: wife woman etc (Mike Sangrey)


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  Message: 1
  Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:39:49 -0500
  From: "Evans, Mark A [Act 1 Contractor for Sprint]"
  <Mark.A2.Evans at mail.sprint.com>
  Subject: [B-Greek] my AREIOS POTHR arrived
  To: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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  <1D4F30D57BFDF040A65B16F61962995C257D24 at PLSWB05C.ad.sprint.com>
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  I saw your comments on the web about short stories and I couldn't agree
  more. I am a beginner and I was looking for short stories on the web to
  help build my vocabulary and utilize the use of noun endings and verb
  conjugation.

   

  I only knew that as I thought about it, it seemed reasonable that that
  would be the superior way to learn.

   

  I see that it is an https:\\ address. So this is obviously a college
  with a secure web page and it wouldn't help me because I can't get
  there. Neither can anyone wanting to contribute, for that reason.

   

  If you have found some places for short stories I would appreciate your
  giving me any addresses or URL's of place you have learned of.

   

  Thanks.

   

  Sincere Regards,

   

  Mark Evans

   

  p.s. What I'm looking for is a site that would give you, maybe, 30 or 40
  words to memorize at a time and then have several short stories to read
  that make use of those words only, outside of the normal articles and
  such.

  Then you would continue to increase. For example you then add an
  additional 30-40 words and their definitions read several more short
  stories with all 60-80 words and so on.

   

   

  Mark Evans

  Technical Services Analyst 1

  Wireless Delivery T1 Testing Team

  913-534-7740

   

   



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  Message: 2
  Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:48:00 -0500
  From: "brian alford" <balford at cleaninter.net>
  Subject: [B-Greek] Received Text Greek study
  To: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
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  software, or even online charts or exercises which are based on the 
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  Message: 3
  Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:27:52 -0600
  From: "Beth Piepenburg" <bpiepen at svwy.net>
  Subject: [B-Greek] wife woman etc
  To: "B Greek" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
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  γÏ.νή guneÌ" goo-nay, can be used for either woman or wife, but usually as a married woman.  Most females were married at a young age in the ancient world.  So, my question is:
  If a female was not married, let's say past the age of 20, would she be considered a GUNE or a parthenos?

  How about an unmarried man?  Could he be referred to as an ANHR.

  Beth Piepenburg

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  Message: 4
  Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 03:08:53 -0400
  From: Schmuel <schmuel at escape.com>
  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Parallel Greek-English Bibles (Not Interlinear)
  To: "b-greek at franklin.oit.unc.edu" <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
  Message-ID: <6.1.0.6.0.20050624030244.08ffbcb8 at mail.escape.com>
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  Hi b-greek,

  >Schmuel wrote:
  >>..wouldn't the Rheims have been translated from the Latin Vulgate text ? ..

  Stephen Carlson,
  >The Rheims was translated out of the Latin Vulgate but "diligently conferred with the Greeke."  In the mid 1700s, it was further revised by Challoner to be closer to the KJV. 

  Ok.. still, the base text is the Vulgate :-)

  > The KJV itself has a few places where they translate the Latin instead of the Greek.

  The only place I have heard this claim for is the last six verses of Revelation, where the 
  claim is made for the Erasmus Textus Receptus (with the idea that the Erasmus text
  was carried forward to Stephanus and Bezae, the texts mostly used by the KJB translators).

  However, Hoskier and others have disputed this, as in the article by Thomas Holland.

  http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_re22_19.html
  Revelation 22:19 -"book of life" and the last six verses of Revelation 22

  There are places where the Vulgate and Old Latin give support to a minority reading
  in the Greek Byzantine line, but that would not constitute
     "translate the Latin instead of the Greek".

  So I think the discussion is limited to the ending of Revelation.

  Shalom,
  Steven Avery
  Queens, NY
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Messianic_Apologetic/ 




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  Message: 5
  Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 04:12:51 -0400
  From: George F Somsel <gfsomsel at juno.com>
  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] wife woman etc
  To: bpiepen at svwy.net
  Cc: b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org
  Message-ID: <20050624.041251.-794771.1.gfsomsel at juno.com>
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  On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 00:27:52 -0600 "Beth Piepenburg" <bpiepen at svwy.net>
  writes:
  > ????´ gune¯ goo-nay, can be used for either woman or wife, but 
  > usually as a married woman.  Most females were married at a young 
  > age in the ancient world.  So, my question is:
  > If a female was not married, let's say past the age of 20, would she 
  > be considered a GUNE or a parthenos?
  > 
  > How about an unmarried man?  Could he be referred to as an ANHR.
  > 
  > Beth Piepenburg
  _____________

  GUNH was the general term for woman and could reference a female of any
  age.  PARQENOS did not necessarily indicate that a woman was a "virgin"
  in classical Greek.  See Homer, _Iliad_ 2.511-516 (referenced in LSJ,
  s.v. PARQENOS) though in the NT this appears to be the emphasis for
  PARQENOS.

  hOI D' ASPLHDONA NAION ID' ORXOMENON MINUEION, 
  TWN HRX' ASKALAFOS KAI IALMENOS hUIES ARHOS 
  hOUS TEKEN ASTUOXH DOMWi AKTOROS AZEIDAO, 
  PARQENOS AIDOIH hUPERWION EISANABASA 
  ARHI KRATERW; hO DE hOI PARELECATO LAQRHi; 
  TOIS DE TRIHKONTA GLAFURAI NEES ESTIXOWNTO.

  While ANHR refers most frequently to a man, it can on occasion be used to
  reference a female in the sense MAN = HUMAN.  We see such a use in James
  1.8 

  ANHR DIYUXOS, AKATASTATOS EN PASAIS TAIS hODOIS AUTOU.

  which is a gnomic statement.

  A man could be referenced as PARQENOS as we see in Rev 14.4

  hOUTOI EISIN hOI META GUNAIKWN OUK EMOLUNQHSAN, PARQENOI GAR EISIN

  george
  gfsomsel
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  Message: 6
  Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 07:57:30 -0400
  From: Mike Sangrey <MSangrey at BlueFeltHat.org>
  Subject: Re: [B-Greek] wife woman etc
  To: Biblical Greek <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
  Message-ID: <1119614251.22541.4.camel at mike.sangrey.home>
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  On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 04:12 -0400, George F Somsel wrote:
  <snip>
  > 
  > While ANHR refers most frequently to a man, it can on occasion be used to
  > reference a female in the sense MAN = HUMAN.  We see such a use in James
  > 1.8 
  > 
  > ANHR DIYUXOS, AKATASTATOS EN PASAIS TAIS hODOIS AUTOU.
  > 
  > which is a gnomic statement.

  FWIW:  From the many conversations I've had regarding ANHR and ANQRWPOS,
  I'm of the opinion that ANHR sometimes has an honorific sense.  I
  believe that is why James chose it instead of ANQRWPOS.

  -- 
  Mike Sangrey
  msangrey AT BlueFeltHat.org
  Landisburg, Pa.
                          "The first one last wins."
              "A net of highly cohesive details reveals the truth."



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