[B-Greek] Hebrews 6:1-2 [BAPTIMSA vs. BAPTIMSOS]
A. Dirkzwager
dirkzwager at pandora.be
Tue Mar 1 03:35:29 EST 2005
It is curious to see that in Col 2: 12 both BAPTISMWi and BAPTISMATI can be
found in various manuscripts. Some of them (D and Sinaiticus) were corrected
afterwards, each in the opposite direction. So the early Christians felt
that the difference between the two words was not very clear.
However it is in my opinion impossible to think of Jewish cleansings or
proselite baptism there. I think of Christian baptism in which the things
discussed by Paul are symbolised.
Concerning Heb 6: 2 I still think that we have to think about teaching the
differences between the various forms of "baptism": cleansings, proselyte
baptism, baptism of John and Christian baptism. The author is writing to
converted Jews who have problems with the difference between typical Jewish
views and rituals and the Christian ones.
Even if Christian baptism should be called BAPTISMA, the whole field of
"baptisms" (including Christian baptism) can be designed with BAPTISMOI,
like I used the word "baptisms".
Arie
Dr. A. Dirkzwager
Hoeselt, Belgium
e-mail dirkzwager at pandora.be
----- Oorspronkelijk bericht -----
Van: "Charles Rempel" <CharlesR at mygalaxyexpress.com>
Aan: <b-greek at lists.ibiblio.org>
Verzonden: dinsdag 1 maart 2005 1:40
Onderwerp: RE: [B-Greek] Hebrews 6:1-2 [BAPTIMSA vs. BAPTIMSOS]
> >Charles: How would your response tie in with the other uses of BAPTISMOS
in
> Colossians 2:12 (Spirit Baptism) and Mark 7:4 & Hebrews 9:10 (ritual
> cleansings)?
>
> <doug>
> i was thinking about those texts and wondered what the distinction was (if
> any) between BAPTISMOS and BAPTISMA. because BAPTISMOS is only used in
those
> contexts where ritual washings is in view.
>
> Doug Hoxworth
> Luther Rice Seminary
>
> Charles: You consider Colossians 2:12 to be a ritual washing?
>
> Trench in his book on NT synonyms says this, "BAPTISIS is the act of
baptism
> contemplated in the doing, a baptizing; BAPTISMOS the same act
contemplated
> not only as doing, but as done, a baptism; while BAPTISMA is not any more
> the act, but the abiding fact resulting therefrom, baptism; the first
> embodying the transitive, the second the intransitive, notion of the verb;
> while the third expresses the result of the transitive notion of the same
> ... By BAPTISMOS in the usage of the N.T. we must understand any
ceremonial
> washing or lustration, such as either has been ordained of God (Heb.
ix.10),
> or invented by men (Mark 7. 4, 8); but in neither case as possessing any
> central significance: while by BAPTISMA we understand baptism in our
> Christian sense of the word ... all explanations of Heb. vi. 2 (BAPTISMWN
> DIDAXHS), which rest on the assumption that Christ baptism is intended
here,
> break down before this fact ...
>
> It is interesting to note that Trench does not cite Colossians 2:12.
>
> Charles
> 30 Year Student
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>
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