[B-Greek] Mk. 15:24

George F Somsel gfsomsel at juno.com
Wed Mar 9 21:22:48 EST 2005


On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 14:11:43 -0800 (PST) Julia Rossner
<julia_rossner at yahoo.com> writes:
> Thank you very much, Jeffrey and Arie, for the
> information and that interesting STAUROW compilation.
> 
> So now we know that 'STAUROW can mean "to
> crucify" outside the Christian realm and already
> before Christian times'.
> But Carotta's translation is possible as well,
> probably even more probable in this context, isn't it?
> 
> KAI STAURWSANTES AUTON DIAMERIZONTAI TA IMATIA AUTOU,
> BALLONTES KLHRON EP AUTA [...].
> 
> And when they had crucified him, they parted
> his garments, casting lots upon them
> 
> "But a Greek of the first century would not have
> understood the sentence in this way, either not at
> all, or if so, rather in this sense:
> 
> and when they were putting up stakes, posts or
> slats or a palisade around him, they parted the
> garments, and cast valuable pieces on it
> 
> because the Greek word for lotkljrosoriginally
> means all that is received as an allotment, especially
> an inheritance, an heirloom.
> A strange sentence. It rather seems to describe the
> erection of a funeral pyre and the ritual casting of
> gifts for the dead on it than the erection of a
> cross."
> 
> Is this interpretation correct? The Greek linguist
> Fotis Kavoukopoulos has no objections.
> 
> Now, if we go two verses backwards Mark says:
> Mk. 15:22: [] KAI FEROUSIN AUTON EPI TON GOLGOQAN
> TOPON, O ESTIN MEQERHMNEUOMENON KRANIOU TOPOS.
> 
> KJV: And they bring him unto the place Golgotha,
> which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.
> 
> "It is striking that both sources in the Greek
> language use the same verb phert: bear, carry,
> bring. In Jesus case we would have expected the
> word led, for he still was alive. This expectation
> is so strong that it has been correspondingly
> corrected in some manuscripts."
> 
> Appianus says:
> App. BC 2.148: [] O DE DHMOS EPI TO LECOS TOU
>  EPANELQWN EFERON AUTO ES TO KAPITWLION [].
> 
> '...but the people returned to Caesars bier and they
> bore him to the Capitol...'
> 
> cf.
> http://www.carotta.de/subseite/texte/jwc_e/crux1.html#cross
> 
> Could Mark be describing Caesar's funeral here?
> The parallels, there are hundreds more, are so
> strikingly similar that I think it would be worthwhile
> if some scholars took a close look at them. That the
> historical Jesus was actually Julius Caesar may very
> well be the discovery of the century (millenium).
> 
> Julia Rossner
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This is simply a weird and bizarre claim.  "Could be, might be, etc." 
simply speculation with no basis in fact whatsoever.  Check your history.
 Caesar had been dead for eighty years (yes, count them, 80 years).  Go
study history.

george
gfsomsel
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