[B-Greek] Remove or lift up? John 15:2

kgraham0938 at comcast.net kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Mon Mar 21 10:37:28 EST 2005


I personally think that AIREI means removes instead of lift.  Casting out in verse 6 (EKBALW EZW) has to refer to eternal judgement because in Jn 6:37 believers are not cast out.  In Jn 3:18; 5:24;29 believer are not judged.

Matt 3:10 has the same imagery
HDH DE hH AXINH PROS THN RIZAN TWN DENDRWN KEITAI PAN OUN DENDRON MH POIOUN KARPON KALON EKKOPTETAI KAI EIS PUR BALLETAI 

>From a grammatical standpoint you should consider D. Wallace's view that in verse 5 Jesus is speaking to his disciples in 2nd person, in verse 6 he moves to third person.  D. Wallace says the following about it...

" in the GNT there is most likely no indefinite second person as there is in modern colloquial English. ( by indefinite I mean the use of the second perosn for eitehr the first or the third person.)  Webster's define the indefinite second person of nmodern English as referring to a perosn or people generally equivalent in sense to indinite one, as you can never tell."

This would mean that Jesus is not specifically taking to a believer when he describes what will happen to anyone not producing fruit in him.

This would also explain why in verse three he can say that the apostles were " already clean."

Another interesting thing that I brough up on here a while ago and not many agreed with me was. EN EMOI does not have to modify PAN KLHMA it could be translated as " Any branch not producing in me is cast out."

But that is something that was brought up in one of my classes and not throughly examined.

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Kelton Graham 
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