[B-Greek] Gal 2:13

Eddie Mishoe edmishoe at yahoo.com
Tue May 24 09:28:11 EDT 2005


Ron:

You said good agents must act willfully, then you give
an example of "the skier was killed by the avalanche."
How does an avalanche act willfully?

Eddie 

--- Ron Ross <rross at irazu.net> wrote:
> Regarding the question about agency, the presence of
> an agent is a good sign
> the form is passive, but bear in mind that
> --cross-linguistically-- the
> majority of passives in any running text do not
> express any agent.  The
> whole point of using a passive is to demote the
> agent and promote the
> patient to subject position and topic.  Good (i.e.
> prototypical) agents must
> be highly animate (usually human) and must act
> willfully upon the patient.
> But other semantic roles can appear in passive
> constructions such as
> 'forces' ('the skier was killed by the avalanche'). 
> 
> Ronald Ross
> Department of Linguistics
> Universidad de Costa Rica
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org
> [mailto:b-greek-bounces at lists.ibiblio.org] On Behalf
> Of Mitch Larramore
> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:38 PM
> To: B Greek
> Subject: [B-Greek] Gal 2:13
> 
> KAI SUNUPEKRIQHSAN AUTWi [KAI] hOI LOIPOI IOUDAIOI,
> hWSTE KAI BARNABAS SUNAPHCQH AUTWN THi hUPOKRISEI.
> 
> I have two, separate questions here. The first is
> rather insignificant. I wonder if the first century
> Greeks pronounced SUNUPEKRIQHSAN as SUNhUPEKRIQHSAN?
> Phonetically, it seems equally effortless to include
> the rough breathing. Seems odd that in the same
> verse
> you would pronounce forms of this word differently.
> 
> Second question deals with agency. I ask myself
> every
> time now when I see a -QH form if it could be Middle
> or Passive. I understand that if an agent is
> mentioned, it will be Passive. Is that right? Does
> an
> "agent" have to be a person? Or, could THi
> hUPOKRISEI
> be the agent that caused Barnabas to follow suit?
> What
> also leads me to see a Middle here even though there
> might be an agent is in the previous verse, we are
> told that Peter AFWRIZEN hEAUTON. There is no
> passive
> sense here.
> 
> 
> Which structure gives more emphasis to the semantics
> of a Middle: 1) Active verb with reflexive pronoun,
> or
> 2) Middle voice verb? (My guess would be an Active
> with reflexive pronoun since there really can't be
> ambiguity in that construct.)
> 
> Mitch Larramore
> Sugar Land, Texas
> 
> 
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Eddie Mishoe
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