[B-Greek] 1st John 2:22
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
kgraham0938 at comcast.net
Tue Nov 1 09:51:12 EST 2005
@ Dr.Carl & Richard:
I understand what you guys are saying, but the thing that is confusing is this.
What does BDAG means when it says on pg 132 of APNEOMAI.
1 Jn 2:22 w. hOTI foll. : a. hOTI 'IHS. OUK ESTIN hO CHRISTOS
" the neg. is redundant as Demosth 9, 54...."
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Kelton Graham
KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
-------------- Original message --------------
> For what it's worth, I have to say that I really think Richard is
> right about this. I don't think that ARNEOMAI works like OU FHMI in
> the sense "deny the truth
> of the proposition that" -- and when OU FHMI works that way, it's
> usually with a subject accusative and an infinitive sort of
> complement, not a substantive hOTI clause. Understanding the hOTI
> clause as a citation makes far better sense of the phrasing and
> doesn't require understanding a double negative.
>
> On Nov 1, 2005, at 8:44 AM, Richard Ghilardi wrote:
>
> > Hello Folks,
> >
> > TIS ESTIN hO YEUSTHS EI MH hO ARNOUMENOS hOTI IHSOUS OUK ESTIN hO
> > XRISTOS;
> >
> > I would prefer taking hOTI here as recitative introducing direct
> > speech
> > rather than seeing a redundant negative. (I don't know of any other
> > place
> > in the GNT where there is such a redundant negative.) So I render it:
> >
> > Who is the liar who makes this denial: "Jesus is not the Christ"?
> >
> > Yours in His grace,
> >
> > Richard Ghilardi - qodeshlayhvh at juno.com
> > New Haven, Connecticut USA
> >
> > ==================================================
> >
> > On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 02:32:24 +0000 kgraham0938 at comcast.net writes:
> >
> >> @clare:
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Clare, are you asking about EI MH (if not) or are you asking
> >> about hO APNOUMENOS and OUK ESTIN hO CRISTOS?
> >>
> >> liteally "the one who denies that Jesus is not the Messiah." If
> >> this is the case the negative is simply redundant and I don't think
> >> you need to translate it twice.
> >>
> >> So "who is the liar if not (EI MH) the one who denies that Jesus is
> >> the Messiah?"
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kelton Graham
> >> KGRAHAM0938 at comcast.net
> >>
> >> -------------- Original message --------------
> >>
> >>
> >>> In 1st John 2:22 I'm confused by the double negatives. Is it
> >>>
> >> possible to
> >>
> >>> translate the verse this way:
> >>>
> >>> "Who is the liar, if it is not the one who denies that Jesus is
> >>>
> >> the Christ?"
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Clare Arnold
> >>>
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