[B-Greek] Acts 15:11, proper rendering: present fact or future reality
Carl W. Conrad
cwconrad at ioa.com
Mon Nov 21 14:40:46 EST 2005
On Nov 21, 2005, at 2:27 PM, mike karoules wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> Acts 15:11 - ALLA DIA THS XARITOS TOU KURIOU IHSOU PISTEUOMEN
> SWQHNAI KAQ ON TROPON KAKEINOI.
>
> The kjv rendering of the term "are saved" or "to be saved" in the
> future: ". . .we shall be saved. . ." But the NASB Renders this
> phrase as present reality.
>
> (1) Why does the NASB take the aorist infinitive(future - if I
> am correct) and render it as present fact/ or reality??
I guess you're asking why the NASB translators chose to represent the
aorist infinitive with an English future; it seems to me that this is
a matter of interpretation that goes beyond what the Greek text
actually states. You'll have to put that question to the NASB
translators.
> (2) What should be the most accurate rendering here, in your
> opinion?? The KJV, NASB or something else??
>
> (3) Can one take the tense and keep it in the present without
> doing the greek grammer any harm??
Well, I'm not sure that you can do the grammar itself any harm! You
must understand what the grammatical form does and does not indicate
-- and in my opinion, the infinitive SWQHNAI doesn't tell anything at
all about WHEN the saving occurs but rather only THAT the saving gets
accomplished -- somehow, some time.
> Any insight will be helpful to me. As you can see, I have a long
> way to go. Please bear with me.
Let me just note that this list does not exist primarily for the
purpose of proof-texting the adequacy of Biblical translations (B-
Translation list specializes in that and other questions about
translations); our focus is on understanding the Greek text AS a
Greek text.
With regard to the aorist infinitive SWQHNAI it should be noted that
in the infinitive and participle the aorist indicates ASPECT rather
than chronological orientation of the event relative to past present
or future. In this instance SWQHNAI does not refer specifically to a
future or past or present event as something happening at a specific
time; what it does indicate specifically is the perfective aspect. My
own Englishing of it would be: "But through the grace of the Lord
Jesus we believe THAT WE GET SAVED in the (same) manner as they too
(get saved).
Carl W. Conrad
Department of Classics, Washington University (Emeritus)
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