[B-Greek] Revelation 11:3 (Verb Tense)
GLENN ALLEN
gandcallen66 at msn.com
Mon Nov 28 18:33:24 EST 2005
Juan,
My initial question about the verb tenses in 11:3 originally started this thread, because I am trying to determine--from St. John's position as observer of these future events--whether the 1,260 day period (3.5 years) during which the Two Witnesses prophesy corresponds to either the first half of the seven-year period or to the second half. Someone told me (and apparently it wasn't accurate) that 11:3 is in the aorist, suggesting that from John's viewpoint at the moment he sees them(ie, with the events associated with the previous five trumpets now past, and the six not yet concluded) that the Witnesses had already begun their prophesy before, suggesting their ministry corresponds to the first 3.5 years rather than the second. Any thoughts?
Glenn
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From: Juan Stam<mailto:juanstam at racsa.co.cr>
To: George F Somsel<mailto:gfsomsel at juno.com>
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Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Revelation 11:3 (Verb Tense)
Very helpful, Goerge, but then how do you explain the aorists in 11:10-14?
Juan, Costa Rica
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From: "George F Somsel" <gfsomsel at juno.com<mailto:gfsomsel at juno.com>>
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Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: [B-Greek] Revelation 11:3 (Verb Tense)
> On Mon, 28 Nov 2005 07:24:22 -0600 Juan Stam <juanstam at racsa.co.cr<mailto:juanstam at racsa.co.cr>>
> writes:
>>
>> Greetings from Costa Rica!
>>
>> Los tiempos verbales in Rev 11 seem chaotic, switching constantly
>> with no
>> apparent reason I can find. 11:3 is futuro but 4-6 switches to past,
>> the
>> 11:7 back to future, 11:8-10b in present, 11:10c in future,
>> 11:10d-14a om
>> aorist and 11:14b in present. (Hope I recorded these correctly; at
>> any rate,
>> there seems to be no consistency or logic in the tenses)
>>
>> Or can someone explain all those shifts?
>> If not, the future tense of 11:3 tells us little or nothing about
>> the
>> narrative of 11:3-13, that I can discover.
>>
>> Juan Stam, Costa Rica
> ____________
>
> It would seem to me that vv. 4 ff constitute a kind of parenthesis in
> which a description of the nature of the two witnesses is given (thus in
> the present). The narrative resumes in v. 7 with the future more
> probable statement that when they have completed (aor subj) their
> testimony the beast "will conduct war against them and will conquer"
> (future) them. The shift in tenses is thus due to the descriptive nature
> of the parenthetical material.
>
> george
> gfsomsel
> ___________
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