[B-Greek] Isa 63,9 in LXX

George F Somsel gfsomsel at juno.com
Wed Oct 19 10:54:34 EDT 2005


On Wed, 19 Oct 2005 12:03:08 -0200 Octavio Rodriguez
<octaviors at gmail.com> writes:
>  Ireneus quoted Isa 63,9 in Adversus Haereses book III:
> "Neither an eider, nor angel (OU PRESBUS OUDE AGGELOS ), but the 
> Lord
> Himself (ALL AUTOS KURIOS) will save them because He loves them, and 
> will
> spare them He will Himself set them free."
> Due to it , Ireneus understand this text us Christ comming.
>  It is clear that he is qutoning the LXX version. However this 
> translations
> is not agree with the Hebrew then the meaning is not the same. In 
> this text
> i think , the LXX version missunderstood the Hebrew.
>  What happened with this text ?
>  Best Regards
> Octavio Rodriguez
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? ?? p?s?? ????e??. ?? p??sß?? ??d? ???e???, ???? a?t?? ?????? ?s?se?
a?t??? d?? t? ??ap?? a?t??? 
EK PASHS QLIYEWS. OU PRSBUS OUDE AGGELOS, ALL' AUTOS KURIOS ESWSEN AUTOUS
DIA TO AGAPAN AUTOUS

We have a slight problem here with regard to the MT of this passage since
there is a qere (form read).  The ketib (written form) is Lo) (not) but
the qere is LoW (to him).  It would also seem that the LXX is reading the
word CoR as some other word since I understand p??sß?? which Irenaeus
apparently read with the LXX means elder ("eider" is apparently a typo),
and I can't offhand think of any word for elder which is close to the
Hebrew CoR.  It would seem that the Hebrew ketib would read

In all their affliction no sword [lit. "flint" as metonymy for sword] and
angel, His Presence [lit. "face"] delivered them because he loved them.

It is easy to see that the LXX could take "His Presence" to be "the Lord
Himself."  What I can't explain is where p??sß?? is derived.  It is
possible that there is a variant text here which the LXX follows.  In the
Dead Sea Scrolls documents which tend to favor either the Sam. Pent. or
the LXX reading have been found.

george
gfsomsel
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