Dear Sir : Hermas in Similitude IX said : "hO MEN hUIOS TOU QEOU PASHS THS KTISEOS AUTOU PROGENESTEROS ESTIN." I want to know how can i translate PROGENESTEROS . If the meaning in english is old , i want to know if this word imply that hO hUIOS belongs to the creation because he is the oldest (part of the group). Best Regards Octavio Rodriguez